From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #215 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thurs, 22 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 215 In this issue: the_dojang: Referee Seminar the_dojang: Re: How to become a referee? the_dojang: Energizer Bunny-Stan the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #212 Subject: the_dojang: Re: How to become a referee? the_dojang: Re: Referee Certification the_dojang: Re: Extra Weight the_dojang: Re: Referee Awareness TRUE the_dojang: Book Review the_dojang: Re: Limitations and the Martial Artist the_dojang: Re: running and knees Re: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #212 Re: the_dojang: Re: running and knees the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:03:33 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Referee Seminar With all of this talk about referee seminars, just wanted to remind everyone in our geographical area - the Oklahoma Taekwondo Union is sponsoring a Certified Referee Class this Saturday in Tulsa, OK at Rada's TKD 8755 S. Lewis 918-481-1433. Master Kim Sol will be conducting the seminar and it will be GREAT!!!!!!!! So come learn what it is all about. And we are even serving breakfast as it is starting really early in the am. And BTW - OTU is offering something new this year at the OK OPEN. The Red Cross will offer Child Care for Toddlers and above - for a donation. So for those parents with kids that are bored and getting on their nerves - this will be wonderful! More info - write me ladytkd@aol.com or call Rada's TKD 918-481-1433 or Stephen Dorshorst 918-624-9444. Thanks! ------------------------------ From: "CALLAHAN" Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:33:44 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: How to become a referee? Stan Lim, What type of tournament are you interested in becomeing a referee for? Chris Callahan "Violence when there is an alternative, is immoral; Violence when there is no alternative, is survival" ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:02:50 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Energizer Bunny-Stan >>>Where do you find time to watch TV, read articles on the web, post questions and answers on the Digest and still find time to train? Are you a distant relative of the Energizer Bunny? :-) Stan>>>> ======================================== hahahah you are so funny!!! Don't you know? Didn't anyone tell you? I am the Energizer Bunny's mom. He got his energy from me... jamaica_power@hotmail.com Clues are the traces of guilt that the criminal leaves behind. Theodore Reik (Myth and Guilt) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:42:03 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #212 Dear Fellow Martial Artists. I hope that you will tune in to here y interview this coming Friday night on the Art Bell Radio Show. I will be discussing some very rare aspects of martial arts including the "Death Touch" I have included the web site so that you can find out what station it is on in your area and the times it will play. Hope you like the interview. Please call in to the show if you have any questions or if you can't get through, please be sure to use this forum to contact me. Thanks for the support, Master Tom Cameron ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 22:31:27 EDT Subject: Subject: the_dojang: Re: How to become a referee? If you join an organization such as the AAU or the USTU and meet their requirements you can sign up for and attended their referee seminars. After that you receive certification. They are always happy to have your help at their tournaments. I really enjoy being a referee. Now I don't compete in the same tournaments that I am working as a referee because it makes my day more stressful. If I'm working in a ring, I might be worried about missing my division when it's called. Then I have to change from my white shirt, tie, and blue blazer, into my dobok. I feel bad if my ring has to shut down until they can find a replacement for me. Let's face it, competition is stressful. When I want to compete now, I compete in tournaments where I am unable to referee and I enjoy just being a competitor. ------------------------------ From: Eric Mueller Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 23:10:52 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Referee Certification > From: Stan Lim > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:19:35 -0700 > Subject: the_dojang: How to become a referee? > > For those of you who are tournament referees, how do > you go about becoming one? What is the typical > process if there is one? What are the requirements? I had the privilege of attending the recent USTU Referee Seminar Conducted by International Referee, Master Stephen Dring and Hosted By The Maryland Taekwondo Association. To become a USTU Referee one must: 1) Be a 1st Dan (or higher) Kukkiwon 2) Attend a USTU Referee Seminar 3) Pass the USTU Referee Qualification Test There are several "Ranks" of Referee, the "Lowest" being an Associate Referee (Class D3 up to D1), Then Regional Referee (Class C3-C1), National Referee (Class B3-B1), The US Referee (Class A3-A1), and International Referees (IR3 to IR1). There is also a wonderful opportunity for non-Black Belts called the Student Referee Program, which allows Non-Black Belt (Kukkiwon) USTU members to Attend a USTU Referee Seminar and Certification Test, and upon Kukkiwon Certification Send in a request and $20.00 Reclassification fee and then be Reclassified as a D3 (Associate) Referee. Even if one does not avail himself of the opportunity to reclassify, the educational value of the USTU Seminar is priceless. I gained great insight into the rules and mechanisms of competition from the USTU Seminar, and I had the opportunity to ask the expert - (and I made frequent use of this opportunity). > > > What are the pros and cons of becoming a referee? Pros: 1) Enhance your knowledge of Taekwondo 2) Expand Your Role within The USTU and Taekwondo 3) Support Taekwondoin through deed, action, and example both within and outside of the competition arena 4) Open your opportunities to participate in competition for the remainder of your life - not just your competitive career. 5) open your opportunities to Coach at the National Level ( to Coach at a national USTU event you must be a Certified National level Referee) 6) Support the Sport of TKD, the USTU, and Your State Organization. ........and this list goes on ....... Cons: 'Can't Think of a one! > > Does it exclude you from competing in other tournaments? Not at all. On the contrary, the wise competitor will avail him/herself of the wonderful education opportunities offered by the USTU in the form of the referee seminar. You will get a better Idea (at least I did) of What will earn you a point, what will get you a deduction, and what kind of competitive latitude you have. I know of a couple of current National Level competitors who attended Master Dring's Referee Seminar. I myself attended in hopes of gaining some further insight into the rules/regulations etc. for my son - who regularly competes in USTU events. I urge all list members - Regardless of Belt Rank - to contact the USTU and inquire about any upcoming seminars. (I believe one will be held in Las Vegas in July during the Junior Olympics. Look for the USTU web site address at the end of the Dojang-Digest. DON'T BE SHY!!!! I am reasonably sure I am the LOWEST ranking person to attend one - I know I was the lowest Ranking participant in Maryland; I learned a lot (obviously), but I know there were 4th and 5th Dan's who learned a thing or two as well > Okay - I think I have made my point, I'll shut up now (so you can all scroll > down and click on the USTU Website and inquire about the next seminar) Eric Mueller PS I tested for, and passed, my White Belt Test (8th Gup), the day After the Referee Seminar (for those of you wondering 'How Low'. :-) > > - ------------------------------ From: Eric Mueller Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 23:14:23 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Extra Weight I AM NOT 'Overweight' ............. I'm 'Horizontally Challenged' Eric > From: "Emil J. Fisk" > Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:41:05 +0800 > Subject: the_dojang: extra weight > > I think my posting about extra weight may have off come the wrong way. I > did not intend to offend anyone by saying that people who are overweight > cannot accomplish the same things as people who are not overweight. I know > that people will have different body-types, and I have friends that are > overweight that have physical abilities that I would not be able to do > without a lot of training. I was just trying to say that each inidividual > is different, and the examiner may not always take this into consideration. > > Respectfully, > > Emil Fisk > fiskej@pd.jaring.my > ------------------------------ From: Eric Mueller Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 23:29:12 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Referee Awareness TRUE > Check Out the TRUE (Taekwondo Referees United for Excellence) Website http://www.true-ref.com/ I especially like the Technically Speaking, comments, and Recognition and such sections The TRUE page can be a wealth of information, an excellent source of information and dialogue. > From: Stan Lim > Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:50:44 -0700 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: Referee Awareness Training > > >From: "Jamaica Power" > >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:50:07 PDT > >Subject: the_dojang: Referee Awareness Training > > > >I think one thing that is missing from referee training is awareness > >training. I know it sounds sort of funny because we are trained > >martial artists but I'll explain and give a few personal examples. > > ...[snip]........ > > >Those little tips and tricks and attention to detail can mean so much. > > Jamaica, > > I think those were some excellent examples of what experience can > teach you. Perhaps you can start a web site, or get a link off an > existing site where people can share their experiences as referees. > Students like me who want to become referees in the future will > definitely find the information very valuable. Thank you. > > Stan Lim > slim@employees.org > ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 01:44:12 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Book Review The June issue of AMERICAN SURVIVAL GUIDE which is just hitting the stands has a review of my book HARD-WON WISDOM FROM THE SCHOOL OF HARD KNOCKS. If you are passing a magazine stand, you might want to check it out. Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:16:30 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Limitations and the Martial Artist Angie: Excellent letter, and it fits my feelings exactly. I started martial arts after watching my kids take classes for a couple of months. I weighed approximately 190 pounds on a 5'4" frame. I had no balance and had never worked out in my 33 years. My instructor pushed me (gently!) beyond what I thought I could do, but never beyond what I COULD do. As a result of his teaching methods and my own perseverence, I achieved first dan, some 30 pounds lighter. He has told me that I should compare my progress to where I was when I had started, not to compare myself with others. My body does limit me, age and physical limitations keeping me from doing some things that I'd love to do...does that mean I should quit? Not try? Do we all have to be able to achieve first place or just do the best we can, each according to his/her own abilities? I still cannot do the acrobatic moves that the younger students can do...does that make me less of a 'martial artist' or less deserving of rank? It's the spirit that makes the martial artist, imho. Lorelei Kuk Sool student << (After much consideration, I don't see weight as being any different than any other kind of limitation. I suspect it is much less of a limitation than it is made out to be in the media.) I dealt with this problem by shopping around very carefully when I was looking for a place to train. I interviewed my instructor at length about his attitudes about physical limitations and how my progress in the system would be affected by the limitations I have. I liked the answers I got from this instructor and so that is why I train where I train, in the system in which I train. He indicated he was perfectly willing to train me with my limitations if I was willing to keep an open mind about what might actually be possible for me to do over time with training. He asked me not to foreclose on my own possibilities out of fear. This seemed like a good deal to me. Unfortunately elitism motivates many, and some people cannot comfortably accept people with limitations as valid martial artists. If I have a belt same as someone else does, yet I (unapologetically) can't do some of the things he can do, well, I guess he might feel his achievement has been devalued or at least called into question by my mere belt-wearing existence. My answer has been to steer clear of places where these kinds of attitudes are rampant- my answer is going to be of little help to anyone who has already invested considerably into a particular school and system and has discovered that the thinking is not where it could and I think should be on such matters. I have no relevant experience with activism on these issues in the martial arts context- maybe others do. Angie Reed Garner >> ------------------------------ From: Ray Wagner Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:55:53 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: running and knees Ray (the original) wrote: > Well, I'm one of those folks that ruined their knees by running. To be > more specific, running on concrete. I don't mean to refute you here, but offer another data point. I'm just the opposite. I trashed my knee in football, wrestling, and mostly soccer. I've had cartilage taken out and I have an ACL that is split lengthwise. I did a lot of cycling for rehab and then got back into running when a friend challenged me to do the Chicago Marathon. I picked it back up and really got going again. I agree that concrete is evil, but in my opinion any hard surface is bad. Not because it's a hard surface, but because it's not a trail. :) These days I'm getting into ultrarunning and doing almost all of my miles on trails. My legs and knees have never felt stronger and I'm enjoying the heck out of it. Thanks for listening, Ray (the wannabe :) ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 07:22:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #212 > I hope that you will tune in to here y interview this coming Friday > night on the Art Bell Radio Show. I will be discussing some very rare > aspects of martial arts including the "Death Touch" I have included the web > site so that you can find out what station it is on in your area and the > times it will play. What is the URL? It wasn't included in your msg. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 07:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: running and knees > I don't mean to refute you here, but offer another data point. Where was the refute? :) > I agree that concrete is evil, but in my opinion any hard surface is > bad. Not because it's a hard surface, but because it's not a trail. > :) These days I'm getting into ultrarunning and doing almost all of my > miles on trails. My legs and knees have never felt stronger and I'm > enjoying the heck out of it. Granted. But if you have bad ankles you can't run on trails. The surface is too uneven, too many holes, rocks, and you just sprain your ankle yet another time. That was why I ran on concrete. Running on it almost every day for 20+ years finally did me in. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 07:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #215 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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