From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #224 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 28 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 224 In this issue: the_dojang: women, m.a. questions the_dojang: misc. the_dojang: women's poll...an afterward on weapons the_dojang: Re: the old heave ho/Jamaica the_dojang: Hi!/Brad Smith the_dojang: Re: V6 #222: national anthems the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "J. Dudley" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:37:58 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: women, m.a. questions Good questions, Jamaica! >Do you feel your training is really preparing you for an unexpected >assault or confrontation that might occur outside the dojang. Yes. We are often encouraged to be aware of every part of our environment. >Have your awareness capabilities increased? Yes - now more accurate awareness - awareness of possible ways to get out of a bad situation, not just awareness of potential bad situations. >Do you think you have within you the ability to attack back (if the >situation deemed necessary) by your assailant? Yes. No guarantee of the outcome, but I would fight. >Would you be able to physically assault them if it was you or them, ie >grabbing out the eyes, ears, and other sensitive areas to render harm. Yes. Go for the sensitive areas first. It's not a sparring match, it's your life (or limb) or his. Do damage and get out. >Have you been taught alternate ways of escape? If I understand you to mean multiple ways of escaping punches, kicks, or holds, yes. However, I wish we practiced these a little more. These need much training to be instinctive. >Have you been taught safety on the internet? I'm a sysadmin (not at this address). I'm very aware that there are always gonna be some turkeys out there. Someone recently tried to break into our site. They didn't get in, but they now have their account yanked by their ISP, and we may prosecute. Don't MESS with me on the internet! >Would you be able to attack your opponent if they were another woman, >teenager (female or male). Yes. I would be tempted to try to reason with a woman my age, but if it came to being physically attacked, yes, I would fight back. >...even though it could be a setup to greater problems. I would be likely to use my cell phone to call 911. >How do you feel when you spar or throw a large male martial artist? Throwing - I like it a lot. Sometimes when I am learning a particular throw my sparring partner will help, sort of. But after I know it pretty well, if necessary, I will ask him, "Okay, don't help me. Really resist." They do. Then when you throw them, as another poster said, they get a funny look on their face. Sparring - as a low-ranking color belt I had a few moments where I felt intimidated, like, "I hate this, why am I doing this?" But I told myself that sparring was part of the self-defense that I signed up to learn, so I'd better learn it. It helped that where I train, higher-ranking belts are very good about the amount of force/power they will use. They will challenge you some, but never to the point where you are actually scared or badly frustrated. (It's the orange belts with no control that you have to worry about :-o ). It's more fun to throw or spar the larger guys. When they go flying across the floor, you think, "Hey, I did that!" And when you're sparring them, you learn that a larger guy just means a larger target. >Do you train with weapons? Bo staff sometimes. Knives required at black belt level - knife defense techniques, and later, knife forms. Sword training (some kumdo - mostly forms) required beginning at black belt level. Nunchucks optional. Our GM also occasionally teaches old fan forms. Also sometimes we have a go at using common objects as weapons - e.g., a rolled-up magazine to jab with. >Do you feel your instructors address your situations as a female. Yes, sort of. Our GM is maybe 5'7", and the head instructor at our school is maybe 5'9" tops, so they themselves frequently face larger opponents. Often our instructor will say, "This technique is especially good for smaller or shorter people, because..." Or, "As you use this technique, be sure to do it this way... because if you do it that way, it will turn into a contest of muscles, and what if he has more muscles than you?" So proper technique, rather than brute force, is stressed. Jane jdudley@inna.net ------------------------------ From: "J. Dudley" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:57:21 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: misc. Ray - sorry to hear about the shoulder. Yeah, bummer. We want a blow-by-blow (ooh, bad choice of words) account of the surgery, etc. Maybe you have someone to whom you could dictate? Re: short classes - I don't know what you guys do when you do forms. For me, 10 minutes of doing forms and I am beginning to sweat, for sure. If we did a whole class of nothing but forms, I would be wiped out afterwards. Are you doing a form once and then having lots of instruction while you listen? Or slowly practicing the next few moves of a new form? Or are you not putting power into your form? Seems to me that if you are doing the form over and over with not much pausing between, you should get a good workout. Or, is it the kind of form? Ours are the Chong-gi series. I just tested (and passed! yay!) for Black Belt and am working on Chul Ki Cho Dan. (Normally it would be Koryo, but we have done some switching around). Kerry - Congratulations! Keep up the good work but don't stress over your BB test. Your instructors want you to pass. Look out for those stealth bear hugs. > If you're in a mixed class what is the class ratio male to female... Mixed what? Sorry. Evening classes are larger and have some teenagers and kids, so maybe 20-30% female. Day classes are smaller and mostly upper-level belts, maybe 10-20% female. White belt classes: maybe 30-35% female. The proportion does go down as you go up in rank. There are several 3rd+ Dan female BBs. >...feel more confident in their throws and holds against a larger male >opponent than when they spar a larger male opponent. >Can anybody that has experienced that tell me why you think that is? When you spar in class, you do not beat each other into insensibility, so you can guess that this blow or that blow would be harmful to him, but you don't REALLY know if it would have knocked him out or stunned him badly. He could just keep hitting. In contrast, when you throw the guy and follow up to be sure he stays down, you know he's down. You can see it. My $0.02. ------------------------------ From: "Laura Kamienski" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:14:18 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: women's poll...an afterward on weapons Hello all, For those reading the 'women's thread', I need to write an 'afterward' to one of my original responses. Tonight I began learning a new form called Dando which I will need to perform at my test for my 2nd dan. It is a form using a knife, so it turns out I will be training with at least one weapon as part of my 'regular' curriculum. So far it's a really cool form! :^) Laura lkamiens@ptd.net lkamnski@bucknell.edu http://www.students.bucknell.edu/lkamnski http://home.switchboard.com/LKamienski ____________________________________________________ "The destination is not the purpose of a journey; death is not the purpose of life." -Thich Nhat Hanh ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:39:42 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: the old heave ho/Jamaica << There have now been 2 or 3 posts where women have stated that they feel more confident in their throws and holds against a larger male opponent than when they spar a larger male opponent. Can anybody that has experienced that tell me why you think that is? Thanks jamaica@hotmail.com >> Because we are doing partner work and he has to stand there and let me flip him! Not being flip [no pun intended] at all just pointing out that sparring has many more unknown variables. Also, flipping or throwing someone [especially bigger someones] gives a feeling of satisfaction whereas when some people spar they [read=ME] feel like they are just spinning their wheels. Dawne ------------------------------ From: "Bradley G. Smith" Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:35:17 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Hi!/Brad Smith Hi! My first attempt to post. Ironically, this is about achoholic drink, not some worthy TKD topic. I most recently read about sake and Chong Hwa. I don't know about Chong Wha (never heard of it). What the heck about Bup Ju?! That is the natural equivalent in korean rice wines, though Bup Ju is often milky white. Bup Ju is from the provinces, and hard to get outside of korea because unpasteurized. I also read about soju in the Dojang Owner. My belief is soju is not rice wine; it's sweet potato whiskey. The largest distiller is Jinro (Jinro Soju). It is frequently served with a green minty additive said to help the stomach tolerate the soju, whose name I have forgotten. Korea had a plague of broken soju containers, so now soju is distributed in small paper cartons like milk containers. Any contrary thoughts? Best regards, Brad Smith ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #222: national anthems If the tester has a crummy voice, it makes a great test of "wa" for the other testers. Sounds like a win-win to me;>) >(Smile) If you have a great voice you could even sing them at your >test. People would love it. If not, well maybe best left for the >privacy of your own shower...!!! Tang Soo! Scott A. Miller samiller@bix.com samiller@cyberenet.net ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #224 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, California Taekwondo Standard disclaimers apply.