From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #228 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thurs, 29 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 228 In this issue: the_dojang: Forms and Sweating the_dojang: RE: Respect inside/outside Dojang? the_dojang: Fractious Furbies/Scott the_dojang: RE: promotions the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #226 the_dojang: RE: Respect inside/outside dojang the_dojang: Favorite Technique the_dojang: Has my journey ended? BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from [regalo (fwd) the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:02:45 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Forms and Sweating >>>By the time I get to my last form...I am dying. I am sweating like crazy and breathing like a madman! But, my muscles and body are warm...should help prevent muscle injuries...>>> Do you use forms prior to your warm up, also? I know some people will do forms slow and not to full extension and perfection to get their blood circulation going and loosen up their joints. Then they do their warmups. Then go back to the forms full power and start breaking the sweat. Are there certain forms that are harder than others or do you have this level of intensity in all your forms? What forms do you practice? jamaica_power@hotmail.com "I know but one freedom & that is the freedom of the mind" Antoine de Saint Exupery _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:32:55 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Respect inside/outside Dojang? Mark asks: > In discussing respect with a fellow instructor, we reflected on a > comment by one student: "I will give you > the respect you deserve here, but out on the street we are equal." > > What is the general feeling on this? How, as students and instructors, > do we feel about this mind-set? > This may sound a little strange given my recent bellowings on respect inside the dojang, but I lean towards equality on the outside. Equality with a foundation of respect, that is. I work in the same area as my Master intructor. In class (or any TKD context, for that matter) he is Sir or Master Weaver. At work I call him by first name, but still with the polite attitude and respect that ANY person deserves. I think that is the key to me. I don't believe that we are qualified to say who deserves respect and who doesn't, so we should be respectful to everyone. The situation dictates whether that respect is a bow or instead a polite smile and a "How are you today sir?". Maybe it's the engineer in me splitting hairs. ;) Kerry kerry.atchinson@wichita.boeing.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:51:53 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Fractious Furbies/Scott >>>Well, we tried to tell you that they were undisciplined and needed to be enrolled in a good marital arts program, but noooo, you wouldn't listen...Scott Miller>>>>>> =========================================== HAHAHA! I know, I know. Will I never learn? Always got to do things my way and learn the hard way. Trust me they are now doing 100 knuckle pushups and have to go to martial arts school tonight. I enrolled them in YOUR school... GOOD LUCK!!! hehehe jamaica_power@hotmail.com "I know but one freedom & that is the freedom of the mind" Antoine de Saint Exupery _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:57:36 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: promotions > From: "J. Dudley" GM, and he said, "Yes, when you get to the top > of the mountain there's no 'there' there. But everything you gained in > the > climb up, you get to keep. So set your goal to climb the next peak." > I like that. Much the same attitude as our school. The climb is a life-long thing. The belt awarding should be a real occasion, though - it will be a formal tea > ceremony. > Cool! Kerry kerry.atchinson@wichita.boeing.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Wagner Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:39:01 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #226 "Lasich, Mark D." wrote: > In discussing respect with a fellow instructor, we reflected on a > comment by one student: "I will give you > the respect you deserve here, but out on the street we are equal." That sounds more like respecting the belt and not the person. > What is the general feeling on this? How, as students and instructors, > do we feel about this mind-set? Personally, I respect people. I will defer to a higher belt in class, but it is the person that I either respect or don't. I have been in a school where the only time I saw the instructor was in a TKD atmosphere. If it wasn't at class it was a tournament or demo or fundraiser or whatever. For that reason, he was always Mr. McCullough. On occasion we (upper ranks) would go out and have dinner or something but since it stemmed from a TKD class he was still Mr. McCullough. I respect him a lot as a person and a martial artist. If I didn't respect him I just wouldn't have been around him outside of class and it would have been a moot point. On the other side I was also in a club where I was friends with the head instructor before I started. We had been biking buddies for a while. In that case he was Mr. Huang during class but as soon as we walked out of the gym he was (and still is) Fred. In that case our social gatherings were actually social and everybody was just friends. Not to mention I think I can still ride more technical terrain on the mountain bike. ;) I liked the second way (which actually happened chronologically first) better. I like to be able to "turn off" the formality when I leave the school. I guess this has more to do with the formality than actual respect because Fred is one of the people I respect most in this world. Not because he's a higher rank than me but because he was a good instructer, is a good friend, and bought the beer for the last party we had. :) Sorry to ramble, Ray ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:31:11 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Respect inside/outside dojang Sorry to reply to my own post, but to continue the discussion: The father of the instructor I refered to is a medical Doctor. Why does it seem so natural to refer to Drs. as Drs. outside of the office/hospital? How about a priest? Even if he is in casual clothing, people still call him 'Father'......How about your Master? Still call him Master, or at a minimum, sir? Now all this seems to change between students and instructors. Ahhhh, what do I call you? Again, I am not indicating that the protocol MUST exist outside the dojang, but I wonder how one (especially a new white belt) go about understanding and becoming comfortable with what is 'acceptable' levels of respect to instructors and other students outside the training studio? I know this is more fuel than water for this burning question, but there does not seem to be a "rule-of-thumb" on how to refer to people. In the spirit of TKD, Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com ------------------------------ From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:42:19 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Favorite Technique A question for the group: If you had to pick out your most favorite technique, what would it be? ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:45:00 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Has my journey ended? Well, I have been "lurking" long enough! I had to add my 2 cents to Jane and Kerry's discussion regarding Black Belt promotions and the feeling of a "let down" after it is over.... I am testing for my Black Belt this May 15th, and after going through so much to stay in shape, perfect my forms, and practice my kicks, etc etc etc, I already feel a sense of dread mixed with my excitement to test. It's actually been hindering my training these last few weeks! I want to hold on to my Cho Dan belt as long as I can, I guess. Has anyone else experienced this? Mr. Woodburn (from my school) had emailed me an earlier post from a Master Instructor entitled "The Road to Hana", where it is important for the student to appreciate and focus on the JOURNEY rather than the destination. I have to say, I have enjoyed and treasured my martial arts "journey" to this point, it has changed my life, and I hate to actually get to the next plateau. I need to find a way to renew my drive and my wonderment of martial arts, and I guess that is a challenge we all face!! Congratulations on your test, Jane. Anita Nyneerland@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from [regalo (fwd) I guess you were Regalo333@aol.com? Please correct. Ray - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Forwarded message: Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: BOUNCE the_dojang: Non-member submission from [regalo ] From: regalo To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: Coach Han Lee's Video Series Hello Everyone! We are happy to say that Tapes 2 and 3 of the Coach's video series will be ready to ship in June. May 1st we are having a special on Tape 1 with great discounts on early orders of Tapes 2 and 3. Tape 1 will be selling for only $28.00 for the month of May. If you buy any two tapes they are only $59.00 total, and you can buy all three tapes for only $75.00! Tape 2 is on Conditioning, it includes: agility drills, line drills, band kicking, running routines and the Coach's own A & B day workouts! Tape 3 is on Weight Lifting and Plyometrics, it includes: the weight lifting and Plyometric routines the Coach has the National team do. The OTC Head Strength and Conditioning Physiologist, Coach Eric Larson, explains the routines and what they accomplish. Be sure to check the website starting May 1! http:www.CoachHanLee.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #228 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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