From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #229 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thurs, 29 April 1999 Vol 06 : Num 229 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Respect inside/outside Dojang? the_dojang: software the_dojang: Re: respect vs. deference the_dojang: RE: warmup the_dojang: RE: test dread, or performance anxiety? the_dojang: Re: Respect the_dojang: RESPECT the_dojang: Re: Fat and Women the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~800 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stan Lim Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:07:18 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Respect inside/outside Dojang? Mark Lasich started this discussion: >Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:50:30 -0400 >Subject: the_dojang: Respect inside/outside Dojang? > >In discussing respect with a fellow instructor, we reflected on a >comment by one student: "I will give you >the respect you deserve here, but out on the street we are equal." Whoever said that obviously didn't hear the story of the Korean boy who was kicked to death by his senior belt because he failed to bow to the senior in public. Me, I want to live, so exercising my back and tummy muscles with a bow is a cheap form of insurance. I don't bump into my seniors and instructors in public very often, but I'd bow to them. That said, I don't expect my juniors to bow to me in public. I have friends who work with me in the same company, and I see them every day. As we have been friends longer than they have been martial artists, I let our friendship take precedence. >What is the general feeling on this? How, as students and instructors, >do we feel about this mind-set? Personally, I always believe that respect has to be earned, not demanded. In TKD, yes, I will respect anyone who has a higher belt or more experience. I try to always show respect for junior belts as well (never know if that yellow belt is a BB in some other MA). Respect begets respect. >To start the discussion: I believe that if the foundations of respect >are solid, it should not make a difference whether or not one is in the >dojang or outside to be respectful to a fellow student or instructor. I >am not saying that bowing to each other on the golf course is required, >but the general protocol of calling each other Mr. Smith, allowing your >higher rank to, say, tee-off first, etc. should be followed, or >discussed and agreed upon. In my school, bowing is expected inside and outside the Dojang. >However, remaining too formal, outside the dojang, may prevent >friendships from growing to their fullest if the respect is demanded, >required, or the lower rank feels compelled to act a certain way. Remaining too formal will certainly kill social development. We don't have any problems among the color belts and BB students. We often hang out after a class or have social outings. We're just like any other group of people out having a good time. No formalities, no Mr. This, or Miss That. That said, some seniors are more formal than others. Some of them insist on being called Mr. no matter where we are. I personally feel like a 2nd class citizen when their friends call them by their first names, but I have to call them Mr. Needless to say, I don't enjoy hanging out with these individuals as much since I don't feel like I am regarded as a friend. (Disclaimer: This doesn't happen a lot, only 1 or 2 people in my lifetime) My 2 cents. Stan Lim slim@employees.org ------------------------------ From: jerseyj Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: software Hi there, I'm helping out some folks looking for software for their dojang. It's been a while since I've surveyed the field. If anyone has any reccomendations/suggestions (both as to what might be good and what to stay away from ) Please email me directly. Thanks, Jerry ------------------------------ From: Stan Lim Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:21:07 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: respect vs. deference Scott A. Miller's response to Mark's post: > Let's pick a more dramatic example: >suppose you were shopping for a new car, and had your sights on a nice, >shiny, convertible 2-seater. Your instructor heard that you were about to >buy this car, and told you that the model you had selected wasn't >appropriate to a person of your station in life, and he would much rather >see you in a used station wagon. What would your reaction be, and how much >weight would you give to your instructor's preference? Good point, Mark. I draw the line at Martial Arts when it comes to taking direction from the instructor. As long as what I do outside the dojang does not discredit the school, the school has not right to tell me what to do, IMO. I am capable of making my own decisions, good or bad (can't be all bad since I signed up for TKD). Instructors are teacher, guides and sometimes parental figures. They are not our dictators. I signed up to be taught martial arts. I didn't sign my life away. I would avoid any school or instructor who demanded absolute obedience in anything not pertaining to my MA development. If the above example applied to me, I would listen first. Then, assuming I could afford it, I would still buy the convertible, and give the instructor the ride of his/her life! Maybe they would go buy one, too :-) Stan Lim slim@employees.org ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:24:28 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: warmup > From: "Jamaica Power" > > Do you use forms prior to your warm up, also? I know some people > will do forms slow and not to full extension and perfection to get > their blood circulation going and loosen up their joints. Then they > do their warmups. Then go back to the forms full power and start > breaking the sweat. Are there certain forms that are harder than > others or do you have this level of intensity in all your forms? > What forms do you practice? > > Forms are a great way for me to warm up my creaking joints, especially on those "bad" days when it seems like even my earlobes hurt. Just like you say, I start slow and gradually increase power, extension, and stance depth. By the time I've done 5 or 6 I'm starting to loosen up, and usually when I complete the series (either TaeGuek or PalGwe) I'm pretty close to full power. Just so I don't bias my practice too badly I sometimes start at the top and work down. I have to say I'm envious of all those folks that don't break a sweat until they're going full tilt... I'm mopping my brow just from walking from the locker room to the gym. ;) Kerry kerry.atchinson@wichita.boeing.com ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:34:06 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: test dread, or performance anxiety? I already feel a sense of dread mixed with my > excitement to test. It's actually been hindering my training these last > few > weeks! I want to hold on to my Cho Dan belt as long as I can, I guess. Has > > anyone else experienced this? > Anita > Nyneerland@aol.com > Yep. Dan-Bo candidates are invited to the 2 or 3 BB classes at the main academy prior to the test. After the last one my classmate and co-tester came over to me and said what I was thinking: "Is there any way we can get out of this now?" The dread disappeared though and I wasn't nervous at all for the test. I WAS nervous for the promotion ceremony, when I already knew I had passed. Go figure. Kerry kerry.atchinson@wichita.boeing.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:30:41 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Respect >>>In discussing respect with a fellow instructor, we reflected on a comment by one student: "I will give youthe respect you deserve here, but out on the street we are equal." Mark Lasich>>>>>>>>> ================================================= Great question. For me, respect must be reciprocal or it does not exist at all. I cannot respect someone that doesn't respect others and I have seen this in some instructors. One of the teachings of martial arts is also self-respect, dignity and pride of your own being. If I give respect to someone undeserving than I do not have self-respect. It's sort of like love. If we don't love ourselves completely first; then how can you love another deeply. Respect is earned just as our belts are earned. It is also a continuing process and must be reevaluated. I may have respected somebody 2 years ago but that might not hold true today. jamaica_power@hotmail.com "I know but one freedom & that is the freedom of the mind" Antoine de Saint Exupery _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "MIKE BROWN" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:14:41 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RESPECT Ray wrote: "If I didn't respect him I just wouldn't have been around him outside of class and it would have been a moot point." Respect in or out of class should be the same. If I could not respect my instructor outside of class then maybe he is not following the principles he tries to teach. So, I probably would find a new master to follow. Etiquette may not be the same outside class. Ranking in class has nothing to do with the "Outside". I may respect someone because of there ability to be whatever rank they have accomplished but they don't "outrank me in life". WE are equal. Respect and traditional etiquette are not necessarily the same. My first post and my two cents. Mike Brown Sanford, NC ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:31:49 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Fat and Women >>>Gosh darnit! Women can metabliize 50% more fat than men, and they perform better if they have some fat in their diets. Rejoice, ladies! Stan Lim<<<< ====================================== I was always taught that, Stan. Think it was Julia Childs or somebody and it's true. The real culprit is sugar and that's the #1 ingredient in so many Fat Free snacks today... like those sinfully delicious chocolate Snack Well cookies. Actually you can really mess up your system if you don't incorporate some fat into your cooking. And lots of people are getting very sick from the high concentration of sugar in foods. Got to read those food labels. Moderation is always key to good health. jamaica_power@hotmail.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #229 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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