From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #238 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 4 May 1999 Vol 06 : Num 238 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #237 the_dojang: Re: Yin Yang -- Um Yang the_dojang: RE: Teenage rage/Bernard Eddey the_dojang: Interview the_dojang: Re: Yin Yang/ Um Yang the_dojang: men in the making the_dojang: Early Moo Duk Kwan Q's Re: the_dojang: Early Moo Duk Kwan Q's the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~730 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 00:38:55 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #237 In a message dated 5/3/99 10:10:25 PM CST, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Hope everyone is okay in OK. >> Things are fine here, it came within a half mile of my school. There is a lot of houses and homes not standing anymore. I will be out on Tuesday to see if I can help out the people that the weather hit. James ------------------------------ From: "CALLAHAN" Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 07:43:35 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Yin Yang -- Um Yang > Anyone ever read more on this or write a paper on it? > > Do you teach this to the people in your class and ask about it at testing? > > I understand the correct spelling is yin yang not ying yang. > In Korea it is known as Um Yang. I have always been told it means harmony and balance with all things. Opposites, as you mentioned, being a big part of this balance. For example, without HOT there would be no such thing as COLD, so there is an Um Yang, or harmony and balance, relationship between these two things. Also, the Tae Geuk forms are base on this theory of Um and Yang. For example, Tae Geuk IL Jang is represented by the Yang symbolism of Heaven, and Tae Geuk Pal Jang is represented by the Um symbolism of Earth. So, in order to complete oneself after starting your training and learning Tae Geuk IL Jang, you must carry it through to Tae Geuk Pal Jang. This will complete the Um Yang cycle and make a more complete martial artist and person. I hope this helps clear things up a little, although you probably already knew most of this. Chris Callahan "Violence when there is an alternative, is immoral; Violence when there is no alternative, is survival" ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 08:32:22 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Teenage rage/Bernard Eddey Great discussion! First: in the aftermath of ANY incident local, national or international, I ALWAYS take the opportunity as soon as I can after that to challenge my classes to reflect on the event and know that, although we are learning techniques that can harm and kill others, along with this knowledge comes the responsibility of having self control and not turing to violence as a first reaction. I try not to relay my ideas of what is right and what is wrong, but I do offer that discussing problems with friends, fellow students, and the instructors can help defuse a situation, or at least help them understand/cope with it. I usually conclude with something like: "In class we learn to block physical attacks on our body. Take this knowledge and your skill with you so that you will be equally as effective in blocking the challenges of dealing with every day life. Not everything goes our way, sometimes people don't do what they are supposed to, or what we expect. Rather than lashing out, getting mad or frustrated, 'block' it in such a way that it does not bother you." Of course this is not memorized, so it comes out differently each time! Secondly: it seems all too common that we have Women's this, or Women's that. In my dojang we have women's sparring. The Ladies Lunch Bunch, etc........As a society we seem to be OK that everyone but a bunch of guys can meet! I have thought of a "Mensday-Wednesday", but was only thinking about the physical training aspect. If there are any more ideas on the "guys-only" concept that explore men's issues, PLEASE share them. I think this is an untapped area in modern martial arts training, and VERY important in today's world. In the spirit of TKD... Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 08:49:36 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Interview In a message dated 99-05-03 11:59:12 EDT, you write: << As many probably already know, there is an interesting article in the June 1999 issue of Black Belt on the connection between Daito-Ryu AikiJujutsu and GM CHOI Yong-sul's Yawara/Hapkido. I suspect a great many will view this article with some controversy, esp those in the Daito-Ryu / Aikido camp. >> I picked up this issue mainly because of the pictures of Choi Young-sul. I have read the different opinions on what happened in Japan, and that is not as important to me as that he did contribute greatly to Hapkido. Also check out the article by James LaFond in the same issue. I spent 3 hours on the phone with James about a month ago. He was interviewing me for his next book. His first book will be published by Paladin Press soon. Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 06:10:59 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Yin Yang/ Um Yang Shortly after I posted seeking information about Yin Yang a good friend of mine sent me an email and told me the Korean term of Yin Yang is Um Yang. So I did some more reading and found this in an article: >>The Four Classics were the genesis to another important concept in Eastern >>cosmology known as Yin-Yang in Chinese, Um-Yang in Korean>>> I've never heard this before. jamaica_power@hotmail.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 09:06:06 EDT Subject: the_dojang: men in the making << I would warrant that like many of us males in the this century they have been raised in an environment very much dominated by women.>> I agree that women are a force to be reckoned with but I would question the use fo the word 'dominated' :) << Since the industrial revolution child rearing has, more than ever, fallen mainly on women. The majority of primary school teachers are women. That is not to say that women have something to offer, but who teaches boys to be men?>> This is indeed an excellent point. I do find it relevant to the role of instructor or master b/c those are the people who have to deal with a chlid's emotional baggage. When John or Jane Doe walks in the door you can't know what you are going to get. IF you begin to get a feel that a student has a special need or problem you are faced with a decision. Either the student stays or the student goes. I think most people would hang in and try to help, especially if you suspect a drunken or violent home. <> I believe many have been discussing the lack of the "rites of passage" for both genders in a variety of disciplines. The question is still being examined. I would however, mention that testing - especially Black Belt testing - could be treated as a rite of passage in itself. This could be done informally. After all in an ideal situation you already have a master-student bond in place prior to BB testing. One easy way to do this would be to pair your Dan-bo's with older, adult black belts for the physical and emotional prep. for testing. In fact it is my belief that kids need more mentors in this society. Then having completed the BB test a celebration and some conversation is a great way to reinforce their passage. I, for one, am in favor of dojang celebrations after BB. Since some families may want to be alone this could be done the day or week after. <> Well, sorry I'm not a male instructor (hee hee) but I have an opinion. The most important thing is really packaging and presentation. People are resistant to change and may feel judged if certain programs are offered. What might work would be something like "in light of the past year's school violence trend we have become painfully that we have a problem in this society. City or small town makes no difference in the alarming acts of violence we see more and more of in the news. Even kids with the most loving and dedicated parents are falling through the cracks. So, we have planned _______________ for the benefit of this dojang family. I encourage each of you to attend with your children as it will provide countless opportunities in the future for discussion." Male-only activities should be handled with delicacy just in case someone wants to make some noise. As a parent of a man-in-the-making I would be grateful for such opportunities. Perhaps an easy way to start would be camping or outdoor training. Something that has a m.a. focus but with plenty of time and opportunity should the conversations wander.... If you listen to a child without giving advice you not only get a better feel for what's going on with them but you send them a messge that they are important and their experiences are valid. Do bear in mind that some things may have to be reported for their own good. It is a huge grey area but I think you illustrated how important it is that we no longer look the other way. Dawne ------------------------------ From: "Bradley G. Smith" Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 09:35:48 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Early Moo Duk Kwan Q's I had some q's to ask. Some sound nutty, but I thank you in advance for any help I receive. Where in Seoul was the original Moo Duk Kwan gymnasium? Was it close to a train station? Was there a name for the gymnasium itself other than the Moo Duk Kwan? Did the Moo Duk Kwan teachers consider that they had started the Moo Duk Kwan (+/- 1945), or did they consider it pre-dated the end of the Japanese occupation? If so, how old did they consider the Moo Duk Kwan/what origin date? Does anyone know some history regarding a teacher at the Moo Duk Kwan during the 1945-1955 era whose name was (or was close to) Song Hung Chong (possibly Soo Hung Chong)? This person was said to specialize in or have "invented" ball-foot roundhouse kick? My best regards, Bradley Smith ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 08:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Early Moo Duk Kwan Q's > I had some q's to ask. Some sound nutty, but I thank you in advance for any > help I receive. Where in Seoul was the original Moo Duk Kwan gymnasium? Was > it close to a train station? Yes, near the 'Seoul City Train Station'. Save the train station, that area is mostly new construction now. Many high rise buildings. But you can still see the patched over bullet holes in the old station building (which is still very heavily used). Photos from the Korean War shows small arms firefights taking place in the shadow of the station building. I believe it changed hands 4 times. From what I understand the old MDK was just south of the train station. The new MDK is just a few miles south of the train station, within walking (a long walk) distance. > Was there a name for the gymnasium itself > other than the Moo Duk Kwan? I believe that was it, the Institute of Martial Virtue. > Did the Moo Duk Kwan teachers consider that > they had started the Moo Duk Kwan (+/- 1945), or did they consider it > pre-dated the end of the Japanese occupation? From what I recall from Hwang Kee's book on the history of the MDK, just prior to the end of the Japanese occupation. > If so, how old did they > consider the Moo Duk Kwan/what origin date? When Hwang Kee began teaching Hwa Soo Do in the MDK. > Does anyone know some history > regarding a teacher at the Moo Duk Kwan during the 1945-1955 era whose name > was (or was close to) Song Hung Chong (possibly Soo Hung Chong)? This > person was said to specialize in or have "invented" ball-foot roundhouse > kick? My best regards, Bradley Smith Midnight-Blue Grandmaster Hancock :) probably knows much more... Hwang Kee's book on the History of the Moo Duk Kwan is a must addition to any KMA library, IMHO. You should be able to get it from GM Hwang's SBD org in New Jersey. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 08:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #238 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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