From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #248 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 7 May 1999 Vol 06 : Num 248 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #247 the_dojang: Correction the_dojang: Re: MA mis-info the_dojang: Re: Is the UM or Yang missing? the_dojang: Re: Um and Yang, swirly line the_dojang: Re: Belt colors the_dojang: Tennessee Dojangs the_dojang: Re: Um Yang the_dojang: The Eastern Dove the_dojang: Host family or Exchange Program the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~730 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Sarles" Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 07:14:00 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #247 I think you handled the situation perfectly. While I can understand the turmoil you and the competitor were going through... There is these things we talk about in MA called Respect and Courtesy. It's too bad that you couldn't have possibly stopped the match and told the coach it would not resume until he left the tourney. It's also unfortunate that the competitor is too blind to see that if this guy is like this in front of stangers...what is he like in school? There are a lot of good schools out there. He should have possibly found an instructor that was more rounded in the arts then just the "kickin'-butt" area. I think you did a good job. Michael Sarles msarles@ior.com > So wham I did a 1/2 deduction. Guy looked shocked. I replied > not again. > He totally lost it again. I went wham.. another 1/2 point > deduction. And I > made sure he understood it was because of him and I made sure he > understood > that if his student lost the match it would also be because of him. > > That one stopped him. Finally. His student still went on to win > the match. > This is probably one of the hardest things I had to do > especially because > his competitors were so great. You had to be there to understand > how really > bad it was for me to do that. Talk about um and yang. He must > not have had > any respect for the student at all. > First time for everything. > > > jamaica_power@hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:14:53 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Correction In a message dated 99-05-07 10:02:23 EDT, you write: << I also remember watching a video of a Hapkido demo in Seoul with my instructor one day. He pointed to her and said she owned her own school. >> This video was not of Kim Tae Yun, but of a woman who runs her own Hapkido school in Korea, who was partaking in a Hapkido demonstration in Seoul for the Korea Hapkido Federation. My instuctor also pointed out Oh Se Lim, the KHF president, who was attending the demo in a suit, not on the mat. Just thought I'd clear that up, the way I wrote it the first time was misleading. Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Paul Rogers Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 09:50:23 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: MA mis-info >>> I looked at this page. Check out the Martial Arts Glossary. I like that Elvis Presley was a karate Black Belt (And all this time I thought it was Ed Parker Kempo) and Jujutsu is Chuck Norris' specialty (I guess Tang Soo Do is just a hobby). <<< I like a page from one of the previous links that explained that Aikido meant "Old Folks Way" tee hee hee... Paul Rogers, Round Rock, TX (ATA) ------------------------------ From: Paul Rogers Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 10:01:30 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Is the UM or Yang missing? >>>Stan Lim wrote: ...who is the daughter of the systems founder, Sun Lu-Tang. I saw a picture of her when I visited the school here. Looks like a sweet, old grandmother to me :-) <<< I forgot about her. There's also Ma Yueh-Liang's wife, Wu Ying Hua, who is a descendent of the founder of Wu style tai chi. If I understand correctly, she's no slouch in tai chi, although Ma gets more press 8?). >>> Also, last year, a friend of mine showed me a magazine that had another female Grandmaster for some Kung Fu style. <<< Perhaps that was Tae Yun Kim, who was mentioned in a recent posting on this list: http://www.jsw.com . Paul Rogers, Round Rock, TX (ATA (+ Yang tai chi)) ------------------------------ From: Paul Rogers Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 10:21:15 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Um and Yang, swirly line >>> Jamaica inquired: Does anybody know what the swirly line in the um yang/yin yang symbol means as opposed to it be linear? Since straight lines are usually the shortest route between two points I sometimes feel the swirly line represents a very long journey (my personal interpretation) :) Does anybody know the real story? Thank you. <<< I'll probably never know the real story, but I always have a real opinion 8?)... I understand the curved line in the tai chi tu (yin/yang diagram) to symbolize the constant/continual transition from yin to yang to yin, for example, night becoming day becoming night, etc. While this could be represented as a straight line, I believe that the current tai chi tu does a nice job of representing both the change in state and the acknowledgement that, in nature, there are many circular (as opposed to linear) movements. Also, a while back, I asked on another list about the correct orientation of the yang (white) and yin (black). I received many replied emphasizing that 1) it didn't matter; and 2) the symbol is a 2-D 'snapshot' of this constant process of transition. Btw, I later got the opinion from my tai chi instructor that orientation did indeed matter, and the "only two valid" representations of the tai chi tu were with the Yang on top growing larger left to right, or the Yin on top, growing larger right to left. He explained that typically Yang is a l-r motion, and yin is a r-l motion. fwiw... Note that the current tai chi tu is not the original one. My memory's fuzzy, but I believe Dr. Yang Jwing Ming goes into this in his book "The Essence of Tai Chi Chi Kung" (see the amazon link reference, below). Here're a few links on the subject that may be of interest: http://www2.cybernex.net/~jefkirsh/symbol.html http://www.ymaa.com http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=q&what=web&q=yin+%2B+yang+%2B+symbol+%2B+history http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0940871106/o/qid=926090139/sr=2-2/002-0454402-8241867 Now, to make this relevant to KMA: Having not heard from TKD folks on Um/Yang, I'm starting to conclude that there's very little Um in TKD, and a whole lotta Yang...8?) Paul Rogers, Round Rock, TX (ATA) ------------------------------ From: Paul Rogers Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 10:28:08 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Belt colors >>> Dakin wrote Everybody knows about the ATA's camouflage belt, right? What the heck is that supposed to represent? <<< "The sapling is hidden amongst the taller pines and must now fight its way upwards." All ATA belts relate to the growth of a pine tree, which is apparently a highly symbolic item in Korea. Here's a description of the ATA belt colors/meanings: http://www.interlaced.net/tkdusa/belts1.htm I admit the camo color seems hokey, but I kinda like the thought that GM Lee put into the colors/forms/Songahm star/etc... Paul Rogers, Round Rock, TX (ATA, of course 8?) ) ------------------------------ From: "CALLAHAN" Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 13:19:36 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Tennessee Dojangs We have a 10 year student that will be moving, with her family, to Cookeville, TN in July. She will probably be a 1st poome by that time. Her parents want her to continue training in the WTF, or Kukkiwon, style of Taekwon Do. She is very active in USTU tournaments, and as she advances through the black belt ranks, she would like to continue getting Kukkiwon certified. Does anyone know of any Dojangs, in that area, that she can look at when they move? Thanks, Chris Callahan "Violence when there is an alternative, is immoral; Violence when there is no alternative, is survival" ------------------------------ From: "CALLAHAN" Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 13:47:08 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Um Yang O. K., I'll try to explain a little more about the Eastern philosophy of Um and Yang. First of all, it is a little difficult to explain and understand, and in order to gain a deeper understanding of the theory, you may have to do some personal contemplating. Um and Yang is a system of duality and opposites: _Um_ _Yang_ female male retreat attack soft hard blue red sad happy backward foreward As you can see this comparison can go on forever. The Um Yang theory applies to all things, and can be as basic and general, or as deep and detailed as you want to go with it. Someone mentioned before, the analogy of punching -- the right hand executing a middle punch is Yang, and the left hand pulling back to the hip, at the same time, is Um. It is believed that everything (the universe, the earth, the human body, etc.) is made of opposing forces that must balance each other -- Um and Yang. When these forces become unbalanced, disaster can occur, depending on how far these forces are out of balance. For example, if the Um Yang forces of the heavens becomes unbalanced, tornadoes and hurricanes can occur. If the Um Yang forces of the earth becomes unbalanced, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions can occur. If the Um Yang forces of the human body becomes unbalanced, illness and death can occur... These forces can become only slightly unbalanced and you may never even notice. The more unbalanced, the more devastating the reaction is. Again, this theory can and is applied to anything and everything. How can something exist if its opposing force does not exist? If this happens, that is when problems occur. I hope this helps. Good Luck, Chris Callahan "Violence when there is an alternative, is immoral; Violence when there is no alternative, is survival" ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 11:06:01 PDT Subject: the_dojang: The Eastern Dove This is a newsletter I read. It is also where I first learned about many prominent and dignified women active in the Korean community and also some in martial arts. http://www.userpages.com/mnugent/index.html jamaica_power@hotmail.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 11:55:28 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Host family or Exchange Program Has anybody been a host family to a Korean student or a korean family or perhaps been involved with a foreign student exchange program? What were your experiences like? Over the years I have been a mentor and host to some Korean students studying in America and those in English as a Second language program. Through these students I have learned much about true cultural experiences, their families and wonderful tons of other things that you can't read about in books including topics such as medicine, acupunture, and martial arts. Any other experiences? jamaica_power@hotmail.com _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 12:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #248 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, California Taekwondo Standard disclaimers apply.