From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #253 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 10 May 1999 Vol 06 : Num 253 In this issue: [none] the_dojang: Re: congratulations the_dojang: Re: more respect the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #252 the_dojang: Video: Way of the Warrior the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #252 the_dojang: RE: Tim's promotion the_dojang: Re: Host Family or Exchange Program the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~730 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Sarles" Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:42:42 -0700 Subject: [none] I agree that respect is first and foremost...in fact...it doesn't really bother me to call my instructor (who has been my friend for many years) Sir or Mr. "Lastname"... But some of the posts seem to indicate that they only way to show respect is by being stiffly formal... I want my child to respect me. I am his father...but I love it when he calls me Daddy. I think respect is also shown in mannerism...ability to take instruction or correction politely... not to interfere/interrupt when other people are talking... treating the work out area and other people's belongings like you would treat something important and special to yourself. These things also reflect respect. I've seen some people have some pretty disgusting looks on their faces even when using the most formal addresses. I'm not saying that I'm 'for' or 'against' this topic. But when I've taught...I have the people that I'm instructing call me "Michael". When I tell them to stop, they stop. When I speak, they listen. But the underlying current remains one of friendship in the dojang during the workout. This air of friendship also leaves with us when we exit the doors. Michael Sarles msarles@ior.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:40:00 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: congratulations Hey, congratulations! << My name is Tim, and I have been taking Taekwondo Karate at Rodness' Karate Center in Davis since March 17. I just received my 8th Grade Decided Orange Belt. >> Dawne ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:48:21 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: more respect Lanny Smith wrote: << However, I have noticed some of the children referring to the other teachers in the familiar first person and, frankly, it bothers me. IMHO, children shouldn't be encouraged to refer to adults in ANY situation that way. We have enough trouble with authority in the States without fostering more of it. This raises a question: Why, if the martial arts are supposed to teach respect as one of its core principles, do we have such a debate about what to call our teachers? Are we not defeating our purpose to some extent? Please understand that I am in no way being contentious about this. Thoughts? >> I see your point. The kid side of the ques. to me is black/white. I agree completely with what you said. Its the adult side of the ques. that gets all fuzzy and grey. In addition to addressing our GM and Master by their proper/earned titles we are also expected to bow. I always look to the floor and bend at the waist. Very recently I learned that the lower belt should bow the lowest but that EVERYONE regardless of rank or age should bow back. Also, black belts and adult students are told that if the younger person or lower belt does not bow to you its ok that you bow first. In that way you are teaching them (subtly I may add) while practicing what you preach. Anyone else come from a similar background? Also, I'd like to know if anyone else has this *thing* where you just can't leave until you've said good bye to your master/GM. If this means waiting 20 min while s/he is with another student or taking a phone call so be it. A few times I've actually made it to the door but couldn't bring myself to leave. Is this one of those *unwritten* rules that I have somehow picked up? No one ever said we had to do this. Just curious. Dawne ------------------------------ From: Ray Wagner Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:51:26 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #252 Jamaica said: > My mind was just dabbling in thoughts of possible fund raisers for your > schools. ... > > 1). One would be an Asian or International Dinner night We did this at my last school as a "Korean awareness" type of thing. Most of the people in the school had no idea what Korea or its food was like. We had a Korean mother (her idea) do up a big meal and presentation on Korea. Unfortunately, I had to miss it. Interesting idea to use it as a fundraiser. > 2). Tied in with testing or tournaments (same day) have a Fun/Run Walk. > This would be for everyone: mom, pop, sisters/brothers, spectators or other > townspeople. Ever organized a race? It's a LOT of work. I just helped out with a very small local event and thought the race director (RD) was going to have a stroke before race day. > You could also do a 5K for the more ambitious. Ambitious, eh? Most of the folks I run with consider 5k a sprint and use them as speedwork doing 3x repeats. ;) > Just throwing out some thoughts. Here's another one that we did annually at my last school. A board break-a-thon (we did it for Muscular Dystrophy Assoc). Get a local lumber yard to donate wood and have people pledge either a flat amount or per board. The kids go absolutely nuts over it and I had a heck of a lot of fun too. The last year I was there we raised something on the order of $7,000-$8,000 for MDA. There were prizes for raising money i.e. - - T-shirt for raising $20 - - sweat shirt for $100 - - hat for $150 etc. (prizes were cummulative) and a game system (seems like it was a Sony Playstation) for whoever raised the most. We broke something like 600 board-feet in about 3 hours with mostly the little folks breaking and us bigger folk holding. I did get a couple of chances to dork around and broke 14 or so with various fun techniques. The only problem we had was that nobody wanted to hold, everyone wanted to break. If I was going to change anything I'd bring in some designated holders (parents?). Ray, the non-Terry variety ------------------------------ From: "Simon Goldie" Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:02:35 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: Video: Way of the Warrior Anyone every seen the video The Way of the Warrior? Its a documentary on the Martial Arts and its practitioners that was made sometime in the early seventies I'd imagine. It's a really interesting look at a variety of ma styles, though I didn't see any TKD. It's on a cheap label over here in the UK, don't know about elsewhere - well worth a look. Something that amused/worried me most was when various masters were talking about using their skills in real life situations. One mentioned that you can call him whatever you like, curse his mother, anything - but once you touch him, he'll kill you! Another said that him and a friend were walking along when a guy pulled a knife, he reacted by poking him in the eyes with chopsticks (he'd just been to a chinese restaurant), breaking his arm and continued to attack the assailant before he was finally pulled off him by his friend. Yet one more said that he enjoyed breaking attackers knees or elbows so that they always had a reminder. I can only recall one of them that said he'd try and disarm his attacker verbally and mentally first. Anyway, how far would you go when attacked? Could you kill if you had to? Would you incapacitate your assailant and then escape? I personally have confidence in my skills but have on all but one occassion been able to talk my way out and find it difficult to imagine how far I'd go in a life or death situation. One final question: Has anyone ever been attacked/gotten into a fight with someone else who is a martial artist? Most people I know who have been involved in scraps have only ever had to deal with thuggish louts. Sorry to ramble on, but as I remembered bits of the video, all these thoughts just popped into my head! Simon Goldie Sgoldie@westsussex.gov.uk ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 12:19:51 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #252 In a message dated 5/10/99 11:24:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Hello. My name is Tim, and I have been taking Taekwondo Karate at Rodness' Karate Center in Davis since March 17. I just received my 8th Grade Decided Orange Belt. >> Congrats Tim, are you in the American Taekwondo Association (ATA)? Joe Long Island, NY ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:38:39 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Tim's promotion > From: Timothy Bruening > Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 23:36:21 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: the_dojang: 8th Grade Decided Orange Belt > > Hello. My name is Tim, and I have been taking Taekwondo Karate at > Rodness' > Karate Center in Davis since March 17. I just received my 8th Grade > Decided > Orange Belt. > > Congratulations, Tim. By the way, I'm unfamiliar with the term "Decided". What exactly does that indicate? Kerry kerry.atchinson@wichita.boeing.com ------------------------------ From: Heather Burnam Volesky Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:56:11 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Host Family or Exchange Program > ------------------------------ > > From: "Jamaica Power" > Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 11:55:28 PDT > Subject: the_dojang: Host family or Exchange Program > > Has anybody been a host family to a Korean student or a korean family or > perhaps been involved with a foreign student exchange program? > > What were your experiences like? > > Over the years I have been a mentor and host to some Korean students > studying in America and those in English as a Second language program. > > Through these students I have learned much about true cultural experiences, > their families and wonderful tons of other things that you can't read about > in books including topics such as medicine, acupunture, and martial arts. > > Any other experiences? > > jamaica_power@hotmail.com > Hey Jamaica, I've been involved in student exchange programs alot. I went to Costa Rica for a year in high school, my two sisters spent a year in Uruguay and Chile (one to each), my family hosted a student from Liberia and we hosted a student from Germany. All of these experiences taught me quite a bit about growing up, about the differences between people, and how similar we all really are. For the most part the experiences were good, but there were some bad times too. I'm all for student exchanges but it can be really tought on both the student and on the host family. As a student, you're never quite as comfortable as with your own family. It can be hard when all of the rules have changed -- you're treated younger than you were back home, this family is much more protective of you than even your own family, you're real family isn't there to help with big decisions, etc. As a host family, having a student is a big change. You now have a new son or daughter that needs to be integrated into a family dynamic that has been formed over the last 20 years. You're now responsible for someone else's child -- which makes you more protective than if it were your own child. You need to be open to this new person to learn about who they are and what makes them who they are. You also need to show this student who you are, who the family is, and what made you the way you are. Anyhow, I've rambled on. If you're interested in talking about this some more, you can contact me privately. I loved all of my experiences. There are some things I wish I had done differently, some opportunities I wished I had taken, but overall it was great. Heather volesky@fc.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #253 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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