From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #256 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 12 May 1999 Vol 06 : Num 256 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: good deed for the day the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #255 the_dojang: Re: Timing the_dojang: Re: It's nice to be back! the_dojang: Re: Timing the_dojang: Re: Respect & titles; bowing the_dojang: The Science of TKD Fighting the_dojang: Re: V6 #255: Winning the_dojang: Re: V6 #255: Mr Clean the_dojang: Re: V6 #255: nukes the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~730 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:44:17 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: good deed for the day Folks, If you haven't yet done your good deed for the day here is a quickie. Please answer the following 4 ques. and send them to me privately or on the digest if you feel others would be interested. These ques. are for my Final exam presentation on Sun. in my PHL of Art class. Sunday is also my wedding anniversary and I have to go to class so perhaps some of you will take pity on me and answer just for that reason :0) #1 What is YOUR definition of art? #2 Are the m.a. an art form? #3 Because you practice/train in the m.a. does that make you an artist? #4 Is every facet of an art an art form? I refer to breaking, forms and sparring. And lastly please include your age (even approx.), rank and style(s). First name is optional. The info will only be shared in an informal class discussion to jumpstart our debate. Gamsa ham ni da, Dawne No1IDIC@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:25:04 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #255 In a message dated 5/11/99 7:15:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: In case anyone dosen't already know, this is not the real US Taekwondo Championship. SESilz << 7th United States National Taekwondo Federation Championships Radisson Hotel O'Hare 6810 N. Mannheim Rd. Rosemont, IL 60018 847-297-8464 June 25-26, 1999 For information: United States National Taekwondo Federation 9956 W. Grand Ave. Franklin Park, IL 60131 >> ------------------------------ From: Stan Lim Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 20:28:45 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Timing Jamaica asked: >Wondering how many instructors actually set up mock competitor tournaments >during a normal class schedule and actually use a time clock to determine >the length of time of matches and breaks. We do it quite regularly, maybe once a month. We'd have a timekeeper, a center referee, and 4 corner judges. Class is divided into red and blue teams. We get scored individually, and those are added for the team scores. Lots of fun and friendly competition. Extra fun when people forget what color they are and cheer for the other side. Besides timing, we get to experience judging, refereeing, coaching the fighter and getting used to the referee's hand signals when awarding 1/2 or 1 point penalties. Stan Lim slim@employees.org ------------------------------ From: David Cheung Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 01:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: It's nice to be back! > Well, after being off the list for a few months, I have returned. I've gone > through some major changes over the last three months or so, but suffice to > say that I have left Maryland and returned to California. It's nice to be > back on the list. I've really missed it! Let the fun begin! > > Brian Karas > Santa Clara, CA > (formerly Greenbelt, MD) I'll be making the same kind of move this fall! After finally graduating from college (just a few minutes away from Greenbelt, at the University of Maryland), I'll be relocating to Santa Clara for work. (but only after I spend 2 1/2 months on vacation in Taiwan... :) Anyway, I was wondering if anyone could recommend a good dojang out there (Stan Lim mentioned to me his school; I'll definitely check it out). Currently I do ITF-style TKD (at least the forms), but I'm curious about/ open to other styles of TKD -- as well as other martial arts (maybe aikido, hapkido, tai chi...?). If anyone has suggestions, I'd love to hear them. You can e-mail me at dcheung@glue.umd.edu. (while I'm writing, I also have to find an apartment out there, if anyone has heard good [or bad!] things about certain places... :) Thanks! -- David Cheung dcheung@glue.umd.edu (greystok@wam.umd.edu) 1st gup, ITF-TKD University of Maryland at College Park Electrical Engineering & Computer Science ------------------------------ From: "Darlene" Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:55:41 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Timing Our dojang occasionally does timings at the end of sparring practice. Everyone sits down along the end of the floor, then two people get up to spar. Our TKD master acts as ref, and asks another student to be timer. The students spar, then sit down while someone else gets a turn. Everyone gets a turn, and some go more than once. We don't usually have winners or points announced, but the Master will stop the sparring for a moment to point out a weakness in the opponent or a technique that should be used. He also points out to the other students what they could be looking for. Everyone must watch with no talking, other than whispering observations. We don't practice breaking boards. That is saved for the tests, and our GM helps provide instruction for those who need it to break the boards. Darlene 2nd kup Port Hadlock, WA ------------------------------ From: "Darlene" Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 23:20:39 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Respect & titles; bowing In our dojang, black belts are introduced and referred to as Mr. or Ms. *name*. When requesting something of them that pertains to TKD, we use that title or "samsang-nim." We refer to and address our TKD master as "Master K" (his actual last name is very long, so he abbreviates it for the children), or as "sabeom-nim." We are a small community, and see each other often. Adults use each other's first names in class in general, but while being led in warm-up exercises, will use "samsang-nim" to ask the student-instructor (usually 1st Dan) to slow down or speed up (please). Any black belt who tells the other students what to do during class immediately hears "yes, sir!" or "yes, ma'am!" in response. Outside of the dojang, students call sabeon-nim "Master K."or "Mr. K." Adults call him by his first name. Children are encouraged by Master K to use Mr./Mrs./Ms. when addressing any adult, and fortunately we have a couple of parents who are very strict about that with their children. Since those children are high-ranking, they set a good example to the other children in the dojang. Our dojang practice floor is the entire main room of the dojang. Students bow to the flags when entering the building, then to any black belts standing around. This is not enforced or even mentioned, but several of us model this to lower belts. I stand in front of the BB until I have their attention, then bow. If the master is in a deep conversation, I go change into my dobok, then bow to him when I re-enter the dojang from the dressing room. At the end of class, I bow to the master, but most students just bow to the flags before they leave. High-ranking students make an effort to say good-bye to the master in English or Korean and bow before leaving. We have formal bowing during belt presentation ceremonies after kup tests, and are all taught to bow lower and longer than everyone above us in rank. Darlene 2nd kup Port Hadlock, WA ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:12:34 EDT Subject: the_dojang: The Science of TKD Fighting Hello all, Volume 2 of the Science of Taekwondo Fighting is now available!! You can order this tape and others from the TERC's web site at: http://www.tkd-edu-resource.com Enjoy, Keith Krotish ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #255: Winning Jamaica wrote: >How do you train a competitor to be the >best without emphasizing that it is >important to win. How could you possibly >get to the Olympics without that mindset? Winning is always nice. Certainly the perceived stakes for winning are higher in the Olympics, and perhaps a greater emphasis on winning might be justified. However, I see it as a difference of degree, not of kind (and hopefully not a very dramatic degree, at that). If the competitors and coaches in Olympic competition aren't prepared to lose graciously, and to learn from defeat as well as from from victory, then what we have in the Olympics may be entertaining (and lucrative for some), but IMHO it is only distantly related to what most of us want and expect a martial art to epitomize. Tang Soo! Scott A. Miller samiller@bix.com samiller@cyberenet.net ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #255: Mr Clean I don't have any statistics at hand, but I would imagine the fraction of those being evicted who called on their martial arts skills would have been approximately the same as among the Serbs when they were "cleansed" from Krajina in 1995 under NATO auspices. >Speaking of Taekwondo in the former Yugoslavia, were there Taekwondo Karate >practitioners (or other Martial artists) in Kosovo before the Serbs began >their campaign to clean out all the Albanians? If so, did any of them use >their Karate or other Martial Arts skills against the Serb ethnic >cleansers? Tang Soo! Scott A. Miller samiller@bix.com samiller@cyberenet.net ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #255: nukes Much as I dislike the prospect of a nuclear conflict, IMO unilaterally disarming at this time would be pure folly, especially now that we have allowed the People's Liberation Army of China to pirate virtually all of our vital weapons know-how. I also fail to see more than the most tenuous connection between your post and martial arts, perhaps this discussion would be best atken to e-mail. >take the following steps to reduce the risk of nuclear war: de-alert our >missiles, remove the warheads from their delivery vehicles (missiles, subs, >and planes), call on all the other nuclear nations to do the same, and call >for a treaty to abolish nuclear weapons. Scott A. Miller samiller@bix.com samiller@cyberenet.net Tang Soo! ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #256 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, California Taekwondo Standard disclaimers apply.