From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #262 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 15 May 1999 Vol 06 : Num 262 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Good Deed the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #260 the_dojang: Re: Dear Master Terry the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #258 the_dojang: re: Dojang Digest 261 titled: all the_dojang: Masters the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #260 the_dojang: Too many Organizations the_dojang: Re: BB by 40 the_dojang: Re: Too Many TKD Orgs the_dojang: Re: Dark Sides the_dojang: What exactly IS the status of Olympic TKD? Re: the_dojang: What exactly IS the status of Olympic TKD? the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~730 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Eric Mueller Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:53:33 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Good Deed > From: > Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 22:44:17 EDT > Subject: the_dojang: Re: good deed for the day > > Folks, > If you haven't yet done your good deed for the day here is a quickie. Please > answer the following 4 ques. and send them to me privately or on the digest > if you feel others would be interested. These ques. are for my Final exam > presentation on Sun. in my PHL of Art class. Sunday is also my wedding > anniversary and I have to go to class so perhaps some of you will take pity > on me and answer just for that reason :0) > #1 What is YOUR definition of art? Art is any Media by which emotion is communicated > > #2 Are the m.a. an art form? > Yes. As long as emotion can be communicated (i.e. Rage or Stoicism from Sparring ::: Envy from watching the Strength and inner Focus of a forms competitor:::: Power & Creativity from Breaking communicates Awe etc.) > #3 Because you practice/train in the m.a. does that make you an artist? No - I must be able to cause an emotional change in another through my MA actions to be considered an Artist ( and I'm not counting Laughter here :-) . I would consider an emotional change in the individual who was performing the MA to constitute "the arrival of the art" > > #4 Is every facet of an art an art form? I refer to breaking, forms and > sparring. > Could be. > > And lastly please include your age (even approx.), rank and style(s). First > name is optional. The info will only be shared in an informal class > discussion to jumpstart our debate. > Eric Mueller, 38, Kung-fu (no rank), Taekwondo 8th Gup, (father to Taekwondo 1st Poom... so 3 1/2 years of TKD 'experience' > > Gamsa ham ni da, > Dawne > No1IDIC@aol.com > ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:41:00 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #260 In a message dated 5/14/99 12:05:24 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I think this should be either not-for-profit or non-profit. I believe that these are two different classifications under the tax laws. Do you know which the USTU is? Just curious. >> The USTU itself is a 501c3 nonprofit organization. This is a difficult designation to achieve and requires a very high level of reporting. USTU state organizations have 1 year to become 501c3's in order to comply with the USOC edict to that effect. ------------------------------ From: Stan Lim Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:54:01 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Dear Master Terry >> Dear Master Terry, > >Thanks, but I don't qualify for that title. > >Ray Terry So how does one qualify for that title? Do you need to have your own school with x number of students? Don't you qualify if enough people start calling you by that title? :-) Respectfully, Stan Lim slim@employees.org ------------------------------ From: Eric Mueller Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:58:54 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #258 > > > From: "Bradley G. Smith" > Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 19:33:48 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Coaches and Competitors > > The.......fighter who has been unmannerly will never be as worthy as the > victorious > fighter who has shown proper etiquette to the opponent and officials. > Coaches, who has judged a hard bout where one or both of the fighters > showed determined fighting spirit throughout and ALSO excellent manners > without thinking that the competitor(s) was already in a way a champion? > Speaking now only for myself, I feel a sense of loss when I see a player > knows no better than to show poor manners and his coach evidently has no > interest in correcting the mistake. Excellent Point. It may also be worth reminding competitors and coaches alike that Under USTU Rules and Regulation, etiquette / Manners may in fact DECIDE A MATCH: I quote from the USTU U.S. Referee Seminar Textbook, Article 15; 3d: "If Superiority cannot be decided by any of the above criteria then it shall be awarded to the competitor displaying the best competition manner" in USTU competition it Does pay to be nice : - ) Eric Mueller ------------------------------ From: "Bradley G. Smith" Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 17:20:39 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: re: Dojang Digest 261 titled: all I enjoyed reading every single post in Dojang Digest 261. Thanks to all who posted! Best regards, Bradley Smith ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 15:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Masters > >Thanks, but I don't qualify for that title. > > > >Ray Terry > > So how does one qualify for that title? Do you > need to have your own school with x number of > students? > > Don't you qualify if enough people start calling you > by that title? :-) I believe that per the USTU one must be a Kukkiwon 5th Dan. Master Silz??? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 12:39:17 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #260 > > > From: > Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 20:03:34 EDT > Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #259 > ...snip... > > It would seem, from this writer's defensive posture, (calling my ideas > petty...) that it bothers them deeply that only WTF/USTU are officially > recognized organizations. However, let us look at reality. Aside from the > competitive advantages that status holds, it is imperative to note that the > USTU is a non-for-profit organization whose sole purpose is development of > American taekwondo. To my knowledge, every other federation out there (ATA, > USTSDA, USTSDF, WTSDF, USNTF, Chung Moo Doe, Kim's Karate, ..., etc.) are > corporations established with the primary purpose being the financial > enrichment of its "grandmaster." > Your knowledge is incorrect as far as the ATA goes. The organization provides the member schools with tremendous, in-depth support, R & D of new programs and teaching methods, tournament sanctioning and international competitor performance tracking, advertising, business seminars, instructor certification, and many other things. I will not deny that Grand Master Lee makes a comfortable living. However, he deserves it - it's his vision that has served as the foundation for our success. ------------------------------ From: Eric Mueller Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:08:41 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Too many Organizations Regarding Master Silz's (most eloquent) Comments: I agree. Ok, so I'm a USTUphile. Question: Why am I a USTUphile? Answer: I love Competitive Taekwondo, and the USTU is the Only organization In the United States that foments, and acts as a conduit for, the highest levels of International Taekwondo Competition. Question: What if I don't Like Sparring? Answer: The USTU and USTU sanctioned competitions are not limited to Sparring. The USTU is Taekwondo. The USTU offers competitive guidelines for Forms as well as Breaking competitions; Not to mention the opportunities to sharing and network that occurs at these competitions. Question: Ok, so the USTU offers Taekwondo competition for Sparring, Forms, and Breaking from the Local Level all the way up to International and Olympic competition - That's great if You are into Competition, but "I am not into Competition and all that stuff..... Answer: Then Why affiliate yourself with ANY organization.........???? Eric Mueller Q: Should I be worried that I talk to myself AND answer myself ?? : - - 0 ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 19:58:36 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: BB by 40 Darlene, good luck on your test. A BB would be a great way to celebrate your 40th birthday. I wish I could have done that but, alas, I celebrated 42 by passing my first TKD test for yellow belt. I have a chance of getting a BB by 45, although I'm not in a hurry. Stan Wojcoski (recent) 4th gup ------------------------------ From: Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 20:43:08 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Too Many TKD Orgs I guess I am quite the neophyte in this cutthroat world of Martial Arts. I started training because of a previous freindship with my instructor. I was told we were an ITF school. OK by me. I had no idea what that meant. We had no real affiliation with the ITF. No dues or membership or anything. It was ITF STYLE. The head instructor left to pursue other MA interests. That left my instructor in charge. This year we switched over to WTF. That's OK by me, too. The reason for the switch was mostly for the standardized promotion criteria and also my teacher had been training at another WTF school. What it boils down to is this - I don't really care what organization my school is affiliated with. I joined the school and switched schools because of my instructor. That's where my real loyalty and respect are. Stan Wojcoski ------------------------------ From: "Darlene" Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 22:42:41 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Dark Sides Jamaica, That's was Dawne's dark side (and her project). Mine hits at 9:30 every evening when my kids who should have been in bed for an hour are still wandering about the living room... ;-) Darlene ------------------------------ From: "John Bennett" Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 08:19:33 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: What exactly IS the status of Olympic TKD? Is TKD a real Olympic sport? I've heard it described as only a "demonstration" sport. How is that different from boxing or bob-sleding? John Bennett ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 07:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: What exactly IS the status of Olympic TKD? > Is TKD a real Olympic sport? Yes. > I've heard it described as only a "demonstration" sport. It was a demo sport. It was later accepted by the IOC as a 'real' sport... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 07:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #262 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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