From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #269 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 19 May 1999 Vol 06 : Num 269 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Teaching the_dojang: Re: Tang Soo Do Book (Mr. Giddins) the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #267 the_dojang: RE: Teaching the_dojang: Re: V6 #268: Teaching the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #268 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #268 the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Sarles" Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:25:21 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Teaching You know...I just brought up a subject close to this a couple of weeks ago... You have to run your school the way you see fit. And if this student is just quitting the classes that you run - to workout under classes that someone else in the school is running - aren't they going to run into the same problems? Anyhoo...I worked out under a master who was BIG into being called Master So-n-So all the time. I tolerated it in class...as a form of respect...but was never really comfortable with it. I respected my master instructor for his ma skill...but no respect for him, really, as a person. I think that teaching children how to talk to adults is a good thing..but with adults I like a more formal atmosphere... I would rather have someone respect me for the person I am and have many friendships in school rather than forcing my title or responses down someone throat. Not that i'm implying that is what you are doing! :-) As it turns out I get to work out with some great people...have found many new friends and the class atmosphere is very respectul - for and by everyone. Michael Sarles msarles@ior.com > Subject: the_dojang: Teaching. > > Hello, I am a Assistant Instructor in a Korean martial art, that is > taught in a traditional manner. One of the first things that we teach is > to always answer yes sir ,no sir or i don't know sir. As students are > learning to deal with this we are very supportive and understanding, but > by senior belt it is a given that you know how to answer. I just had a > senior student tell me he was no longer coming to any of my classes > because he was sick of having to do push-ups when he did not answer. I > worked one on one with this student for over a year before I resorted > to this measure. He always said he had a great class whenever I did not > make him do any thing as a result of not answering. I am feeling bad > about this and any "outlooks" on what I could have done better or what I > did wrong would be great. Thank you in advance. Chris Porter. > cmporter@webtv.net ------------------------------ From: "CALLAHAN" Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:44:46 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Tang Soo Do Book (Mr. Giddins) Mr. Giddins, > For those of you interested, the Tang Soo Do manual written by Kang Uk Lee > is now available through Barnes And Noble in the U.S. > It is VERY affordable (less than $15) and they are taking advance orders for > June 1st right now. Thank you for the heads-up info. Do you know if this book will have the: 1. Pyung Ahn forms 2. Chulgi forms 3. Baisi forms? I have been looking for a book that contains all three of these sets of forms, but have had little luck finding one. Chris Callahan "Violence when there is an alternative, is immoral; Violence when there is no alternative, is survival" ------------------------------ From: Paul Rogers Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:51:01 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #267 >>>Eric Mueller wrote Is there some setting I can adjust to maintain the word wrap, but eliminate the annoying Formatting? BTW it is Netscape Communicator 4.5 <<< I'm using Netscape Communicator 4.51, and it looks like you can somewhat control the formatting and word wrap via a Preferences page (Edit->Preferences->Mail & Newsgroups->Messages). You can play with those and see what kind of results you get. These paragraphs were typed with no enter key hit (until the end), with a "Wrap outgoing, plain text messages" length of 72... I would've sent this privately, but wanted to see how it got formatted in a digest... Paul Rogers, Round Rock, TX ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:19:45 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Teaching > From: CMPorter@webtv.net (Chris Porter) > Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:27:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: the_dojang: Teaching. > > Hello, I am a Assistant Instructor in a Korean martial art, that is > taught in a traditional manner. One of the first things that we teach is > to always answer yes sir ,no sir or i don't know sir. As students are > learning to deal with this we are very supportive and understanding, but > by senior belt it is a given that you know how to answer. I just had a > senior student tell me he was no longer coming to any of my classes > because he was sick of having to do push-ups when he did not answer. I > worked one on one with this student for over a year before I resorted > to this measure. He always said he had a great class whenever I did not > make him do any thing as a result of not answering. I am feeling bad > about this and any "outlooks" on what I could have done better or what I > did wrong would be great. Thank you in advance. Chris Porter. > cmporter@webtv.net > > From a student perspective, I don't think you've done anything "wrong". It sounds like you've gone the extra mile in helping this student learn the ropes. Did this student train with you before you were teaching, or before you became (I assume) a BB? Sometimes it's difficult to realize that the fellow colored belt we're accustomed to is now in a position of greater authority and responsibility. Something else comes to mind. Is this student by any chance mildly Mentally Retarded? I know a mildly MR student that is a good hard-working student, but occasionally needs a gentle reminder to bow in/out of the dojang, address a superior rank as Sir or Ma'am, etc. Kerry kerry.atchinson@wichita.boeing.com ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #268: Teaching Chris, some things are just not meant to be. Whatever rules apply in your dojang _must_ be equitably enforced. Anything less is a betrayal of the students who do conscientiously follow the rules. IMHO you were more than patient enough with the student in question, perhaps to a fault. How old was this individual? If he was a teenager, or had some emotional disability, I could perhaps understand it, but that doesn't excuse it. If this was "normal" adult behavior, it was utterly intolerable. If I was an assistant instructor who had to put up with this behavior from a student, I would have long since been complaining to the head instructor. If I was the head instructor, I would have long since made a very strong suggestion to this person that he might be happier training elsewhere. >I am feeling bad >about this and any "outlooks" on what I could have done better or what I >did wrong would be great. === Scott THIS JUST IN: Bad news for Congress on the medical front - this month's edition of the New England Medical Journal reports that Viagra does not work on sheep. ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #268 Actually, B&N's price is $11.86 plus s&h. I would have ordered it immediately, but they are apparently experiencing some "shopping cart" problems. Amazon's price FYI is $16.86 plus s&h, so it's probably worth the wait. >For those of you interested, the Tang Soo Do manual written by Kang Uk Lee >is now available through Barnes And Noble in the U.S. >It is VERY affordable (less than $15) and they are taking advance orders >for >June 1st right now. === Scott THIS JUST IN: Bad news for Congress on the medical front - this month's edition of the New England Medical Journal reports that Viagra does not work on sheep. ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:30:42 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #268 > > > From: CMPorter@webtv.net (Chris Porter) > Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:27:16 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: the_dojang: Teaching. > > Hello, I am a Assistant Instructor in a Korean martial art, that is > taught in a traditional manner. One of the first things that we teach is > to always answer yes sir ,no sir or i don't know sir. As students are > learning to deal with this we are very supportive and understanding, but > by senior belt it is a given that you know how to answer. I just had a > senior student tell me he was no longer coming to any of my classes > because he was sick of having to do push-ups when he did not answer. I > worked one on one with this student for over a year before I resorted > to this measure. He always said he had a great class whenever I did not > make him do any thing as a result of not answering. I am feeling bad > about this and any "outlooks" on what I could have done better or what I > did wrong would be great. Thank you in advance. May I suggest that you reward positive behavior instead of negative? Instead of having him do pushups for not answering properly, praise him when he does answer up properly. When he doesn't, encourage him to answer properly. If it has become a power struggle between you and him over answering up, you need to make sure that he understands that disobedience is not an option. I strongly recommend that you obtain two books by a man named Bodenhamer: _Parent in Control_ and _Back in Control_. They are available on Amazon. Both are oriented towards parents and disobedient children in the family, but the concepts transfer very nicely to the m.a. class. Since I have incorporated his techniques, my class discipline "problems" have notably lessened. ------------------------------ From: Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #269 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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