From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #274 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 24 May 1999 Vol 06 : Num 274 In this issue: the_dojang: Happy Birthday Kim the_dojang: Phenomenological meangings of martial arts the_dojang: MA and Violent adolescents-followup post the_dojang: Re: High-Fives the_dojang: Re: Oaths the_dojang: Earthlink users the_dojang: Re: Martial arts Peace Keeping in Kosovo the_dojang: Re: Questions About Taekwondo the_dojang: Re: Questions About Taekwondo the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 09:06:52 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Happy Birthday Kim >>>BTW - yesterday, in addition to being my 17th birthday, was Buddha's >>>lunar birthday (5.22.99). Just interesting information Kim Jones>>>>> Happy Birthday Kim! I'd say the Budda is in good company. Hope you are enjoyinig your day as much as I have enjoyed all of your great posts. Take care. jamaica _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 09:46:58 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Phenomenological meangings of martial arts For your reading pleasure. This is really a great and substantive article. Columbus, Peter J.; Rice, Don, Phenomenological meanings of martial arts participation.. Vol. 21, Journal of Sport Behavior, 03-01-1998, pp 16(14). A study was conducted where the authors were interested in phenomenological meanings of martial arts for a group of North American participants. They sought to clarify what is experienced in everyday life such that a martial art is understood as an activity worth learning and knowing. Excellent reading. Quite complimentary to our martial arts. Excellent bibliography. jamaica _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 10:01:06 PDT Subject: the_dojang: MA and Violent adolescents-followup post This is a followup to a very old post. Somebody by private email had inquired about one of my sources regarding a post I did on a topic similar to this one. I was never able to find the original article but I have since come across this one. I also apologize to whomever requested the information but since then my computer crashed and I lost my email addresses and requests. So if you're still out there, I strongly recommend the following. >>>The application of traditional martial arts practice and theory to the >>>treatment of violent adolescents. Adolescence; Twemlow, Stuart W.; Sacco, Frank C.; 09-22-1998, Libra Publishers.>>> jamaica _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Stan Lim Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 10:35:40 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: High-Fives Timothy Bruening wonders: > >At the end of each class at Rodness' Karate Center at 415 L Street in Davis, >CA, the instructor high-fives (slaps the hands of) the students. Does this >happen at your Martial-Arts school? Yes, we do something similar. At the end of each class, all students and instructors place our right hands in a circle. We count to 3 (in Korean), then jump as high as we can with the right hand forming a fist. After the 3rd count, we shout out "Yang-GA" which I am told stands for "We are family, forever". As an added incentive for students to jump really high at the end of a workout, Sabumnim has promised a 10 course dinner to anyone who can touch the ceiling. Nobody has claimed that reward yet :-) Stan Lim slim@employees.org TKD, San Jose, CA. ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 10:58:18 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Oaths >>>Most of these I understand, but how do Taekwondo practitioners go about being "a champion of freedom and justice", and building "a more peaceful world"? What oaths, if any, do you take? Timothy >>>>> ========================================== Oaths are merely empty words. It is the practitioner that fills the words with substance, content, meaning, and sincerity. Otherwise oaths are just new years eve promises that often are not honored - false promises and false hopes. IMHO - Building a more peaceful world starts right in your own backdoor. So often I see people so willing to go out of their way to help others in need across the world in foreign countries but they are the first to shun their own neighbors and work associates; to forget to say good morning to their own family members and give them a kiss before they leave for work. They are willing to give thousands of dollars to the poor and needy in other countries but not even a pot luck dinner or a pair of shoes to their unemployed neighbors down the road. I often wonder why that is. Is their hunger any less painful? Perhaps it is worse because in this land of plenty with food so close at hand they are still starving. Don't misunderstand me, I do believe helping others everywhere is a good thing but I think it must start at our own roots. Sometimes we help others and don't even realize our own lives are in chaos and falling apart because we're so busy helping distant others. "Champions of Freedom and Justice" is being the best person you can be where you are right now. It's honoring yourself first and then your family, and then your friends. It's recognizing that you are a good human being with a sincere soul and kind heart. It's being proud of yourself. Because I believe when that happens others want to be a part of that specialness. Then the feelings and camaraderie grow and continue to grow and your peaceful world will become bigger and stronger. jamaica _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 14:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Earthlink users For those of you on Earthlink, it looks like the problem with your e-mail not getting to the_dojang or the eskrima-digest has been fixed. I assume that Earthlink resolved their open routing problem and so email from that provider is no longer being blocked by relays.orbs.org. Or at least I hope that is the case... So, your email to the list should get through again. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 15:24:44 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Martial arts Peace Keeping in Kosovo >>>To end the war in Yugoslavia, I have suggested that Black-Belt Martial >>>Artists serve as peacekeepers in Kosovo. They would be unarmed, as >>>Milosevic wants, but be able to defend themselves. What do you think of >>>this idea? Is it feasible? Timothy>>>>>>>>> ================================================== Timothy, at this point it's an idea, a noble thought; and your own personal singular dream from what I can tell. But what are your plans for implementation and follow-thru? How will you bring this noble conceptualization to fruition. You say you have "Suggested" this idea? To whom? What were their responses? Thanks. jamaica _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Judy Barnett Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:56:04 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Questions About Taekwondo > Tim > > I also take American TKD or American Karate. My instructors affiliation is with the > American Karate and TaeKwonDo Organization. I will be testing for my 1st dan in > Kobudo on June 12. I am a 1st gup Brown Belt in empty hand. I have also wondered why most of the forms start to the left. I will as my instructor Tuesday nite about that one. > The sequence of belts I have been told has kind of evolved. My instuctor's teacher > only had white, green, brown, black. Later they added the yellow between white and > green. Somewhere in the interveening years, they migrated to white, yellow, orange, > purple, green, blue, 3 stages of brown, black. We bow in slightly differently. the students (all gup ranks) line up facing the front of the dojang with the highest gup rank on the right. all dans line up according to rank - highest also on the right but opposite the lowest gup rank. Command are called by the highest gup rank to start the class, and at the end the lead instuctor asks the question of the class:How do you build self confidence? Answer by all: Thru knowledge in the mind, honesty in the heart, strength in the body. We then are asked the tenents of TKD - which we have 1 more than you do. Courtesy, Humility, Integrity, Perserverance, Self Control, and Indominable Spirit., the highest gup then gives the commands and class is dismissed. As to the origins of your bow out, I have seen that in schools I have visited, but don't have an answer for you. I have a question for you. My school doesn't have decided belts - could you elaborate. We either pass or not. Thanks Judy B. ------------------------------ From: Klaus Steinberger Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:14:47 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Questions About Taekwondo > From: Timothy Bruening > Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 23:17:52 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: the_dojang: Questions About Taekwondo Hi Timothy, > I am a Taekwondo Karate student at Rodness' Karate Club in Davis, CA. Its > affiliated with the International Taekwondo Council. On April 29 I tested > for and won my 8th Grade Decided Orange Belt. I have a few questions: First off: I think "won my grade" is not the correct sentence. It has nothing todo with winning or loosing. English is not my native language, so somebody else could help out with a better sentence (maybe earning the grade?). > Why do most of the forms in Taekwondo start to the left? For example, the > White Belt Form starts with a low block and a left front stance, 90 degrees > to the left from my ready stance. Dan-Gun (the Orange Belt form at my > school) starts with a knife-hand block and a right back stance. Yep, most of the Chang Hon Forms (Hyongs) start with the left side, the idea behind this: In Korea (maybe in other Asian cultures too?) the left side is the peaceful side. > The sequence of belts at my Karate school goes White-Orange-Yellow-Low > Green-High Green-Purple-Blue-Brown-Red-Red/Black-Black. How did the various > Karate and other Martial Arts disciplines decide on their belt color > schemes? What belt color scheme does your Martial Arts school use? The belt colors in your school are like in Japanese MA's. TKD usually has this belt colors: White-Yellow-Green-Blue-Red-Black, intermediate grades are with a stripe of the next color (like white with yellow stripe). Instead of red sometimes brown will be used. But how belt colors are handled is not that important. A grandmaster told me: "The belt is just there to hold the clothes". > the student to the left of the senior student tells everyone to face and bow > to the senior student. What is the origin of the above actions? What > ceremonies happen at your school? In our school the senior student calls for bowing, nothing else. > How do Taekwondo practitioners go about being "a champion of freedom and > justice", and building "a more peaceful world"? There are many ways, just live after this! Sincerely, Klaus - -- Klaus Steinberger Beschleunigerlabor der TU und LMU Muenchen Phone: (+49 89)289 14287 Hochschulgelaende, D-85748 Garching, Germany FAX: (+49 89)289 14280 EMail: Klaus.Steinberger@Physik.Uni-Muenchen.DE URL: http://www.bl.physik.tu-muenchen.de/~k2/ In a world without fences and walls, who needs Windows and Gates? ------------------------------ From: Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 08:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #274 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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