From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #280 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thurs, 27 May 1999 Vol 06 : Num 280 In this issue: the_dojang: Re:Shugyo the_dojang: Bribes the_dojang: Re: Chuck Norris the_dojang: Schwarzenegger and other Role Models Today the_dojang: Re: Enlightenment the_dojang: Re: Blocking vs. attacking Re: the_dojang: Re: Enlightenment the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:43:33 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Re:Shugyo >>>He stayed on ok behavior in class only because I threatened to kick him >>>out unless he did. He's a good training partner for me since he pushes >>>me, but I do watch out for my other students when they train with him to >>>make sure he doesn't get too rough with them. How have you handled these >>>types?>>>>>> Dakin ===================================================== There was a particular student that came to mind when I did that post. His wanting to study martial arts was a very difficult first attempt at his reaching out to others. Bright young man, too. But in his life he was often viewed as an insignificant nothing. He never had positive feedback but he did continue to persevere on the right track amongst astronomical difficulties and setbacks. Tremendous strength of character. To trust another human was most difficult for him but when we did reach that point it was a very good bond. The young man became very willing to please but more to please me instead of himself. He was a very, very intense individual, and needed to accomplish tasks right away and he put excessive demands upon himself. He had a sense of immediacy and a feeling of being desperate. He would frequently display his ma skills everywhere and all the time but it was because this is all he had. So appropriate behavior had to also be learned. There were many voids in his life, so many black holes, so all his energy became focused on the one thing he now had which was martial arts; and which he had a tremendous fear of losing (his own fear). He was much like a beautiful wild mustang and the task was to harness that energy into a productive state. Overtime I sought out with the help of others to find some of what his voids were and to help him fill them. I had good friends that were educated in this area that used to participate in class, observe him and help him sort of incognito. Push push shove shove in the right direction. He had to also learn to accept himself as a strong machine in motion instead of a bulldozer out to trash everything in it's path. I had him work in front of mirrors with forms, with punching bags, while sparring, with weapons. I made him really look at himself and focus, focus, focus. It was hard for him to look at and accept himself as a pleasing human being but we provided reinforcement and lots of it. Make no mistake we were very strong when needed. He didn't see himself as we did. Sort of like when you make an anorexic look in the mirror. They don't see themselves as skinny and it is a long process to correct this image distortion. He had to learn to see the beauty in his punches, in his movements, in himself and then to understand the process and accept it. And there were times we exhausted him. We took that pent up obsessive energy and had him work and work and punch those bags and sweat. And when the state of exhaustion was reached we tapped into other ways he could demonstrate m.a. We found out he was a fairly good artist and did pencil drawings so we encouraged him to draw m.a instead of always doing it physically. This helped him to also focus. He finally found his way, his specialness and his own style. And when he accepted himself he became at peace. It was a good thing to see. Ah well it was years of work and a friendship that developed and continued to grow. Certainly not without it's ups and downs, sweat blood and tears. But I have rambled enough for now. P.S. And yes, as with your student he did open my eyes and took me into a deeper place within myself. And this also became a struggle for me to overcome some of my own hidden fears and to walk through doors I had long ago closed. We eventually became a good team.. jamaica _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:15:55 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Bribes Has anybody ever offered you a monetary or other bribe to say double promote their kid or themselves, speed up the black belt process, win at a tournament, or anything else? If so, how did you handle it? jamaica _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:58:31 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Chuck Norris Yes Chuck Norris did study under Grandmaster Shin. I believe he was one of Grandmaster Shin's first Black Belts here in the USA ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:07:36 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Schwarzenegger and other Role Models Today Lots of people on this list teach children or have young one's of your own and the following is something that has always personally bothered me so I would like some other opinions. In today's society we have many role models like Arnold that during their early days have used drugs such as steroids to achieve their popularity and money. They are the American dream come true. Today these people are leading fitness sessions, are leaders on the President's Council for Fitness and Children's Fitness, etc. They tell our children "Not to do Drugs." That drugs are harmful and can hurt you. Except for one thing. They don't seem to have hurt the role model in anyway - anything but. So how do you convince kids that drugs are not the way to success? And how have they indeed hurt these role models? So anyway...other thoughts on this? jamaica _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Stan Lim Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:58:54 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Enlightenment Jamaica strives to enlighten us: >As a lay person, what does the word enlightenment mean to you and how do you >translate it for your students - perhaps not literally but in your >teachings? I don't teach, but enlightenment to me is whenever the proverbial light bulb goes on in my head. Examples: - - When I put 2 different ideas together and arrive at a third. ("Aha!") - - When I finally understand a concept or idea which made no sense before ("Ahhhh...") - - When I think I know something, only to be shown that it could mean something else ("Hmmmm!") - - When I reflect on my actions and behavior in the past and realize how foolish it was, but I didn't know back then ("Ohhh...") - - When I solve a problem or mental challenge which I didn't think I could ("Ha!") - - When I come up with 6 reasons when I thought I only had 5 ("HA HA!") Stan Lim slim@employees.org ------------------------------ From: Stan Lim Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:10:28 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Blocking vs. attacking >From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" > >Yep. We are occasionally reminded that our blocks should be hard enough to >break boards, and can serve to "take out" the attacker's limb. Good luck on >Dan-Bo! > >Kerry Yup. Same is taught at my school. Take the knife-hand chop for example. When applied to an incoming punch, is it a defensive or offensive move? It can be either, or both. That said, don't forget that "offensive" moves like a punch or kick can be used defensively. For example, who has not had shin collisions when both fighters try to kick at the same time. Painful, but it stopped your opponent's kick, didn't it? My instructor taught this in class a long time ago, and I just have not gotten used to doing it: Punch the attacker's striking limb. You have to be very fast and very accurate. Anyone here use this technique regularly in free-sparring? Stan Lim slim@employees.org ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Enlightenment >As a lay person, what does the word enlightenment mean to you and how do you >translate it for your students - perhaps not literally but in your >teachings? As a long time meditator I look at enlightenment more from that perspective; i.e. to become one with the Self. There are various types of meditation, but in meditation one often attempts to connect with the Self. Once/if that connection is made, in that when you meditate you literally see your soul, then one becomes an enlightened being. No, I am not -yet- an enlightened being... :) Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #280 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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