From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #286 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 1 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 286 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Sine wave motion the_dojang: RE: Sine-Wave the_dojang: Relative Strength for Women In Forms Competition the_dojang: Sine wave where it shouldn't be! the_dojang: (no subject) the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #284 the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Gilmore Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 13:54:15 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Sine wave motion I was originally trained in ITF TaeKwonDo by Grandmaster Kang, Dong Won in Tulsa, OK, so I am familiar with the sine wave (even though its been 20+ years since I've actually done it). I now practice Kuk Sool Won; there is no "sine wave" in Kuk Sool, or, to the best of my knowledge, in any Korean martial art other than ITF TaeKwonDo. Sincerely, Steven Gilmore Houston, TX, USA ------------------------------ From: "Michael Sarles" Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 14:10:52 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Sine-Wave [snip] > 1) As far as I know, ITF TKD hasn't always had this sine wave movement. In > the beginning, I > believe that the movements were very similar to shotokan (which > Choi Hong Hi > had been trained in). My question is twofold: when did Choi Hong > Hi introduce > this movement, and second: when was it standardized on and all > shotokan-style > (flat) movements abandoned alltogether from the ITF style? No, Choi's TKD has not always had the sine-wave movement. I don't know how long it has been since he incorporated it into ITF but it's probably somewhere around 10 years ago. As for your second question...I don't think anything has been removed from Choi's TKD - I think the sine-wave was just added. > > 2) In his 15 volume encyclopedia of TKD, Choi Hong Hi gives no > mention of where > he has picked up this idea. Is it novel? Does anybody know of any > other similar > arts with this clear sine wave up-down movement ? > > 3) I am starting to investigate into other korean arts, and find it very > stimulating > that so many of you study other arts than TKD. I have a question relating > to these > other arts and the sine wave vs. flat karate style: what is the difference > in the performance > of similar/common basic techniques between karate and tang soo do, WTF > style TKD, > hapkido etc. > As far as I know, they all practice flat (in my opinion; static) > movements. Yes...Choi's TKD is the only that I've seen, formally, incorporate and name a moving technique like sine-wave. If one takes any type of MA though, you will really find that we all do the sine-wave thing naturally. Dropping your center of gravity and then moving into an attack generates power from the lengthening and the tightening of the muscles...if that's the correct way to do describe it. > > 4) What organizations share the basic techniques of the ITF with the sine > wave movements? > I only know of the ITF and the GTF. Those are all I know of. > > 5) If anybody else has practiced both flat karate style movements and the > sine wave movements > of the ITF, I would be pleased to know your opinions on the weaknesses and > strengths of > both approaches. I personally do not like the sine-wave teaching. While I understand it's practice, like I mentioned earlier...we all do it to an extent. No one I know punches without some type of movement to generate power. I don't like the formal method of teaching it because in some of the movements (when doing forms) it seems quite impractical (especially in forms like Po Eun) and a waste of time and movement. Other movements it seems to compliment the generation of power very nicely. So...that's my $0.02 worth. But to be pro-and-con here...to each his own. If sine-wave works for you...TERRIFIC! If it doesn't...TERRIFIC!. MA is your experience. Make of it what you will. Michael Sarles msarles@ior.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 15:47:41 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Relative Strength for Women In Forms Competition What would be some of your best suggestions for instructing a female to improve her relative strength,kiai, and overall demonstration of a form especially if she has to compete against a larger, stronger male m.a. I'll use myself as an example. When I was younger and there weren't as many women competitors I frequently got mixed in with the men both in sparring and forms. I frequently competed against men in the Grand Prize championships. Especially when I first began forms let's face it at 5' 4" and 110 pounds my strength was not comparable to a 6'2" 180 lb mass of muscle with a kiai to kill. (Although I now possess that kiai)! We all know that the form should be judged on the strength for the size and weight of the competitor but judges invariably see the strength of the man and will award him the gold especially if they are directly competing against one another. So I guess this is a training tip question and also just your personal feelings on this as you compare men and women. What suggestions would you give the women in your class (all ages) for optimal form performance. Thanks jamaica _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 16:07:51 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Sine wave where it shouldn't be! Since we're in discussion about forms and sine wave do any of you that teach non-sine wave forms have students that do it anyway (unknowingly)? Does anybody teach their students to eliminate this motion by telling them to put a couple of books on their head while they practice forms (much like schools teach promising models how to talk). It eliminates the bobbing or up and down motion. Helps with balance, timing, and focus too. Or is this too old-fashioned? Thanks J _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Elizabeth Sykes <084254@bud.cc.swin.edu.au> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 16:15:07 +1000 Subject: the_dojang: (no subject) >Actually in a very short time you probably won't hear from me much on this >forum since I am moving on to new territories and experiences. >It's been a pleasure meeting all of you. Jamaica, you've forced me to delurk to express my dismay. I have only been reading this digest for 10 weeks, but in that time I've come to look forward to reading your posts. Good luck in whatever you do - -- Elizabeth Sykes 6th Gup 084254@bud.cc.swin.edu.au ------------------------------ From: the_dojang-owner Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 02:44:08 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #284 In a message dated 5/30/99 10:09:52 AM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << This week is the World Taekwondo Championships in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. >> And I am here already! SESilz ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #286 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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