From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #289 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 2 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 289 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Biomechanics and force the_dojang: Re: Sine Wave the_dojang: Re: V6 #287: teacher's pest the_dojang: Hidden Nerve Strikes in Form Blocking the_dojang: Free Martial Arts Link Site Re: the_dojang: Hidden Nerve Strikes in Form Blocking the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Torvill Bjorvand Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:14:26 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Biomechanics and force >From: "Jamaica Power" >Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:40:56 PDT >Subject: the_dojang: Biomechanics and force > >As we talk about the full contact aggressiveness and injuries occurring at >elite competitions and the potential for severe injury or worse, then I was >wondering if anybody has ever done a study on the force and speed of some of >the kicks and punches generated by our current elite competitors (any >organization or m.a distributors). > >I'd be surprised if a study hasn't yet been done because (IMHO) I think it >should be done. What I am looking for is somebody that has done something >like this as is done in tennis or baseball where when the ball is hit on a >serve or otherwise; you can determine the force and the speed of the >particular hit. If you are talking about MA in general, measurements have certainly been performed. Frank W. Dux (The real bloodsport-movie guy) has been measured in competitions for both execution time and speed (miles pr hour) for both punches and kicks. You can eg look at this web-address for the results: http://www.mafreeway.com/articles/dux2.htm The 15 volume TKD encyclopedia from Choi Hong Hi also has several measurements of execution time for punches and kicks. (I don't remember which volume). TKD Grandmaster Kwon Jae-Hwa in Germany has measured his punch to over 10000 Newton while smashing pebblestones. You can find info on this at this site: http://www.taekwon-do.de/ >It would seem to me that we should also be measuring the force of impact of >some of the competitors using some type of force plate or computer program >to generate the data during personal training sessions. I could see the >advantages to this especially in a study not only for effective competition >but safety and safety equipment. Several of the manufacturers of impact targets can also deliver separate digital displays to go with their best models. Sincerely, Anders Torvill Bjorvand Norway ------------------------------ From: Steven Gilmore Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 06:17:13 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Sine Wave >I have a few questions for you regarding your response. You state that it >has been >20+ years since you trained sine wave. > >I have a testimony from a Norwegian GTF Master who joined the ITF in 1977. >He reports that his master trained sine wave only at the time. > >Can you give me an earlier date? I am trying to find out how early this was >utilized, but there seem to be little documentation on this matter. > 20 years is just a guess. I started in TKD when I was, I think, 14 years old. I'm 40 now. BTW, I actually met the General; he came to Tulsa and was the honored guest at the Mid-America TKD Championships. The year would have been 1975-77 or somewhere in there. >Another issue as well: you say that you were trained by a grandmaster >within ITF. >I thought that Choi Hong Hi was the only grandmaster within ITF ever until >he promoted >Ree Kee Ha and Chuck Sereff a couple of years ago. Can you elaborate on this ? "Grandmaster" is now the title being used to refer to Kang, Dong Won, per his website. I don't know if he is still in ITF (although I suspect not since his website talks a lot about training Olympic champions). At the time I started training, Kang, Dong Won was a 6th dahn and was promoted during my training years to 7th dahn. I haven't had any contact with him since -- probably 1978 or 1979 -- although I have toyed from time to time with the idea of contacting him just to let him know what ever became of me. Sorry I can't be more specific; I'm really lousy with dates and all of my printed records are stored away in San Antonio. Sincerely, Steven Gilmore Houston, TX, USA ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 09:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #287: teacher's pest >Other than asking the person to leave, which I suspect most >people would not want to do Why not? I understand that for those who try to make a living teaching m.a. the loss of a student is a big deal. But isn't your sabumnim risking the loss of many more students (and possibly instructors, as well) by allowing this person to pursue their political agenda unrestrained? What does this _student_ bring to the table that justifies all the negatives? It doesn't sound as if this student has much of a "following" to worry about, either;>) === Tang Soo! Scott ------------------------------ From: jeremyt@atfi.com Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:03:56 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Hidden Nerve Strikes in Form Blocking " I learned several techniques that were applied directly from moves in a Pyong-An form. The applications were simple and direct. I have taken a new look at my forms and tried to see beyond the simple "a block is only a block". I have decided that for the beginner, that is true, for the advanced student, the block becomes a strike, for the more advanced student, the block becomes a strike to a point..." Please don't misunderstand me. You can definitely find different uses in your blocks. My point is that there were no hidden messages in the forms themselves. The claims are being made that each form was put together with actual hidden strikes in the blocking techniques. This, IMO, is a bogus statement. However, I do believe that you are able to disect and take away moves and use them in different methods. Forms were nothing more than a training method to learn your basic movements. Jeremy WJDKF/MACS ------------------------------ From: "Adam Gibson" Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:32:56 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Free Martial Arts Link Site I have a Free Martial Arts Link Site that I've just started up and I was hoping that some fellow Tae Kwon Do-ists in the discussion group would like me to place a link to their web-site. If anyone has a web-site that they would like a link placed to goto the following URL: http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Stands/7291/martialartslinksite.htm Adam Gibson 2nd Dan Tae Kwon Do Martial Arts Author If you have any questions feel free to e-mail me at: videoman@idirect.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Hidden Nerve Strikes in Form Blocking > Please don't misunderstand me. You can definitely find different uses > in your blocks. My point is that there were no hidden messages in the > forms themselves. The claims are being made that each form was put > together with actual hidden strikes in the blocking techniques. This, > IMO, is a bogus statement. However, I do believe that you are able to > disect and take away moves and use them in different methods. Forms > were nothing more than a training method to learn your basic movements. Today, yes. In the past (~100 years ago) forms were also a roadmap to the pressure points on the body. I completely agree that nothing is hidden or secret. We we know it today and are talking about it here. But it just isn't generally taught. The fact that some don't have the knowledge doesn't mean that the knowledge is being hidden. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #289 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, California Taekwondo Standard disclaimers apply.