From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #291 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thurs, 3 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 291 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Teacher's Pest the_dojang: Re: Biomechanics and Force the_dojang: Martial Artists in Real Life Politics - High Level the_dojang: Re: Biomechanics and Force the_dojang: Soft Blocks Vs. Hard Blocks the_dojang: Re: Hidden things in Forms... Re: the_dojang: Re: Biomechanics and Force Re: the_dojang: Martial Artists in Real Life Politics - High Level the_dojang: Fw: Senior student the_dojang: Re: Sine wave where it shouldn't be! the_dojang: Sparring Tips the_dojang: new dojang the_dojang: summer practice - foot work the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Gilmore Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:37:08 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Teacher's Pest >>Other than asking the person to leave, which I suspect most >>people would not want to do >Why not? I understand that for those who try to make a living teaching >m.a. the loss of a student is a big deal. Losing a student means that you have failed them as a teacher; that's why it is a big deal, regardless of whether you are a for-profit school or not. I used to take it very personally, losing a student, because it meant that I had not met their expectations (by not asking the right questions and listening and mining-for the right answers during their initial interview) or perhaps not given them the appropriate expectations of what their life would be like in my dojahng. Sincerely, Steven Gilmore Houston, TX, USA ------------------------------ From: Stan Lim Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 17:47:29 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Biomechanics and Force >> I have also seen advertised, and brought to some tournaments for >> demonstration a >> kicking apparatus that incorporates a computerized ergometer (??is >> that >> the correct >> term?). I think the name of this contraption is "Ssarubi" and as I >> recall >> it costs >> about $6,000.......... > >We have a couple of these. Fun stuff... > >Ray Terry >raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com The Ssaurabi isn't something you can easily move around. It has to be bolted to the floor and it has a solid metal frame. My Sabumin told me that the company recently went bankrupt. There is a picture of it here if you are interested: http://www.jtc-tkd.com/ssaurabi.htm Stan ------------------------------ From: Jamaica Power Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:03:20 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Martial Artists in Real Life Politics - High Level It is my opinion that if we are to survive in martial arts we need influential people in legislation. Especially as the martial arts escalate in many diverse directions due to their increase popularity. For the most part we are under attack, and mostly due to fly-by-night m.a. studios that are popping up and self-proclaimed black belts. I was able to find out that a Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-Colorado) was elected to the House as a Democrat in 1986 and to the Senate in 1992. In 1995 he switched parties and become a Republican. He was a member of the Black Belt Hall of Fame in Burbank, California captained the 1964 and first U.S. Olympic judo team. Does anyone else know of any other practicing martial artists in high level political positions in any state that might aid us in future legislative issues. thanks jamaica _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Jamaica Power Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:06:18 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Biomechanics and Force >>>>I think the name of this contraption is "Ssarubi" and as I recall it >>>>costs about $6,000.......... We have a couple of these. Fun stuff... Ray Terry>>>>>>>>>> ====================================================== Could you please share some more details. Thanks, J _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Jamaica Power Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:11:09 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Soft Blocks Vs. Hard Blocks Since there have been quite a few posts in the last couple of days discussing blocks in forms I would like to entertain some discussion on soft blocks vs. hard blocks and the distinction between the two. Hard blocks usually disrupt the motion of attack and soft blocks usually redirect the striking attack through the course of the attack which usually difuses the attack. Anyway this is a vast simplification of the two. I only offer this as an opening comment for further discussion. I would appreciate more discourse from other experts in the field including the advantages and disadvantages of each. Thanks, J _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Tony Preston Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:43:14 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hidden things in Forms... >From: jeremyt@atfi.com >Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 10:03:56 -0500 >Subject: the_dojang: Hidden Nerve Strikes in Form Blocking > Please don't misunderstand me. You can definitely find different uses > in your blocks. My point is that there were no hidden messages in the > forms themselves. The claims are being made that each form was put > together with actual hidden strikes in the blocking techniques. This, > IMO, is a bogus statement. However, I do believe that you are able to > disect and take away moves and use them in different methods. Forms > were nothing more than a training method to learn your basic > movements. And I think that the masters of old designed forms to teach certain things (like strikes to pressure points, methods of grappling, combinations of techniques), then taught the forms to the beginner as a basic set of moves to teach kicks, blocks, punches... When the student became more advanced, they were taught the true means of the movements. Or maybe if they had to discover the true meanings themselves... Some techniques were not hidden as much as almost lost because some people reach a certain point in their training and then decide they know it all and go off declaring themselves a 14th dan in Take-Your-Do...:) Without students that appear worthy of the knowledge, a master might not pass it on and it is lost. I just cannot agree with your statement "Forms are nothing more than a training method to learn your basics" I have seen too many things that show me different. - -- - -- Tony Preston, Team *AMIGA*, Linux developer since 1996 - -- Custom Services, P. O. Box 254, Moorestown, NJ 08055 - -- The Amiga Zone BBS (609) 953-8159 ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Biomechanics and Force > >>>>I think the name of this contraption is "Ssarubi" and as I recall it > >>>>costs about $6,000.......... > > We have a couple of these. Fun stuff... > > Ray Terry>>>>>>>>>> > > ====================================================== > > Could you please share some more details. Mr. Lim's post of the URL will probably answer your questions. If not ... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Martial Artists in Real Life Politics - High Level > Does anyone else know of any other practicing martial artists in high level > political positions in any state that might aid us in future legislative > issues. GM Jhoon Rhee teaches TKD in the DC Cap building to a few, or at least he used to. Not sure who or how many or for how long he taught him, but there are probably at least a few in DC that have some exposure to TKD. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Darlene" Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:04:36 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Fw: Senior student >I wondered what would happen at the end of the class when it came time to bow to the senior student. Would I have to order myself to face myself and bow to myself? How could I face myself? --Timothy Bruening > In our class, we bow out in rank. First the master bows out, then the senior student tells all to face him/her, then repeat "Taekwondo!" or recite the tenets after him/her. The senior student then joins with other of the same rank, bow to the rest. Once that rank has left the line-up area, then the next rank steps up and bows to the rest, and so on until the last rank. To answer you question, if there is only one person in the last (lowest) rank, no cheryeot/kyung-yea command is made. It is assumed that the senior student in each rank is commanding others below him/her to bow. If there is no one below him/her to command, nothing is said. The student does not command oneself to bow, nor does s/he command a higher rank to bow. Eye contact is made, then they bow, then leave once the upper rank has left the line-up area. Darlene 2nd kup Port Hadlock, WA ------------------------------ From: "Darlene" Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:05:04 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Sine wave where it shouldn't be! >Does anybody teach their students to eliminate this motion by telling them to put a couple of books on their head while they practice forms ...-Jamaica< I have tried this at home, and it has helped. In the dojang, we are encouraged to find a line-up point somewhere behind us as we look in the mirror and to keep that point always just above our head (book method without them falling on your toes!). In the Taeguk forms, I have been scored down for "bouncing" too much. These techniques have also help me keep lower in my forward, back and riding stances. Since I'm moderately tall, (5'7"), if I'm too high in my stances, it shows. I use the mirror point to help me stay low in my stances. Darlene 2nd kup Port Hadlock, WA ------------------------------ From: "Adam Gibson" Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 02:27:29 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Sparring Tips - -----Original Message----- From: Adam Gibson To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 2:16 AM Subject: Sparring Tips Anyone interested in some great Sparring Tips and Fight Strategy please feel free to check out the following site: http://members.tripod.com/martial_arts_tips Adam Gibson Tae Kwon Do Instuctor Martial Arts Author videoman@idirect.com ------------------------------ From: Joan Bostic Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 06:34:07 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: new dojang I've been in TSD for a short time (7 mos.) and have tested/promoted to 6th Gup during that time. Never having been in any other M.A., but recognizing that I met the criteria in the Association gup manual, I didn't question my promotions or my instructor's judgment with respect to them. (We don't approach the instructor about testing; he tells us when we will test.) I knew that I promoted faster than other students in the dojang, but I assumed it was due to having nearly perfect attendance and practicing/studying every night. My dojang closes for the summer, so (with my instructor's blessing) I decided to keep in practice by attending the closest dojang in our same Association (20 miles away) for the summer. Last night was my first evening there. The instructors were very gracious, and the students asked the usual polite questions before class (where are you from? how long have you been in TSD? what dojang?). Several (non-instructors) made comments that gave me the impression that they questioned my right to the rank I held, by virtue of how short a time I had been in TSD. That left me feeling a little tentative. And, it didn't help that, they pronounce the Korean terms slightly differently, and the order, combinations, etc., were unfamiliar, so I was not a stunning example of my own instructor's careful teaching, on that first night. The instructors seemed to take my awkwardness as a given for the differences between dojangs (and I started on a test night, no less), but some of the students gave pretty arched looks. My question is, has anyone ever encountered this before? Is there a proper protocol for handling it (other than keeping one's mouth shut and, hopefully, allowing your work to be a credit to your instructor)? The whole feel to the evening somewhat diminished my confidence, which isn't usually a problem. ;~) I'll be back there on Monday; the training is worth more than my discomfort. But any advice is appreciated. Tang Soo! Joan Bostic Two Harbors, MN ------------------------------ From: Arlene Slocum Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 08:18:11 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: summer practice - foot work Since 3 of our area tournaments occur in the fall, I like to use the summer months for special training to improve areas where I am weak. Every summer I pick either a particular technique to work on, or a skill I would like to improve. For example, one summer I worked on spin side kicks all the time. I saw a huge improvement in my power and accuracy in the fall. Before I start my extra training I discuss my goals with my instructor and get his suggestions for drills and other ways to practice the techniques. This summer I want to work on my footwork. I really want to improve my body positioning, balance and timing during sparring. What good is it if I can do a good spin side kick unless I am in the proper position to make it count? I plan to discuss this with my instructor, but I would like others from this list to post ideas/suggestions of how to improve my footwork/timing this summer. Thanks in advance for your help. Arlene Slocum 1st Dan Lawrence Tae Kwon Do School Lawrence, Kansas ArleneS@Geoaccess.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 06:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #291 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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