From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #293 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 4 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 293 In this issue: the_dojang: Practicing Sparring combo's the_dojang: Sparring Tips the_dojang: Empowerment in the Dojang the_dojang: A different experience as a ref the_dojang: Re: black belt oath the_dojang: Re: Teacher's Pest the_dojang: Sparring Drills the_dojang: Re: Pressure Points the_dojang: A Little question about corner referees Re: the_dojang: Re: Pressure Points the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Alexander, Stephen (Nexfor)" Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 16:38:50 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Practicing Sparring combo's Paul Rogers wrote: >>This made me curious, though: how many folks (especially ATA'ers) have sparring sessions at their school where they actually practice combinations, etc., with a partner? << We used to practice sparring where the instructor would tell you to only use certain kicks. Like, student 1 you can use axe kick and low roundhouse kick, student 2 you can use cut kick, spin hook kick. This was good for developing stratagies for making those two techniques work. You got to learn, in about 2 minutes, how many different ways you could throw those two techniques in combination, and what really works for you. And sometimes, they would actually score! ;-> Steve Alexander To win 100 victories in 100 battles is not the highest skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill. Sun Tzu / Gichin Funakoshi ....... Take your pick ! ------------------------------ From: Jamaica Power Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 14:02:37 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Sparring Tips >>>>This made me curious, though: how many folks (especially ATA'ers) have >>>>sparring sessions at their school where they actually practice >>>>combinations, etc., with a partner? Our Friday sparring class is >>>>generally "pick a partner and have at it", which is OK, but is not, I believe, as beneficial as practicing drills. Paul Rogers>>>>>>>> ==================================================== I would also be like to know the length of these matches. Both the random sparring sessions and the drill practices. I've visited schools where they are very formal and timed and I've seen others that do the random sparring for not even a minute and then switch partners. And continue to switch about 5x in this fashion. This also included adults sparring children; well actually a total mix. Thanks J _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Jamaica Power Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 15:04:49 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Empowerment in the Dojang Multiple question thing here since schools are all run so differently. Do you think it is possible in a martial arts school to empower your students and if so, how do you do it? Since some of the schools are autocratic do you think this concept (empowerment) is even a realistic approach? Or just maybe you don't buy the term at all and feel it is synonymous with self-confidence and that it is a buzz word that belongs in corporate America. On the flip side if you are a student and reading this post, have you felt empowered since you've begun taking martial arts? What does the term mean to you personally? jamaica _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Jamaica Power Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 18:49:42 PDT Subject: the_dojang: A different experience as a ref This happened quite a few years ago but I'll be honest, I can certainly see it happening again. So I share with you the following situation (true story) for you to contemplate or comment on... or not. So here it is... and this is a sensitive issue in some respects so I will try to do it justice and be respectful. I was a center ref in the ring for a couple days at a national tournament. Nothing new. The matches are coming fast and furious, one right after another. Barely have time to look up even. Okay, even though I was very experienced at the time this one took be aback and not because I am in anyway prejudiced, I think you people know me by now. But I will preface this post by saying I always have the safety of competitors in mind at all times. Okay, here goes. It's the black belt divisions. I have one young very enthusiastic and healthy black belt jumping up and down waiting for his competition. So I'm tending to some things and I turn around and there comes his competitor. Now this individual comes into the ring in a wheel chair. Now there are no specific rules or guidelines for me at this time. I look over and see a few GM's and Master Instructors glued on me and circling the ring watching. I assume I got this situation because of my experience. They give me the nod to just go ahead. It was a blackbelet sparring match. Now I check the competitor bouncing up and down for safety and then I go to the wheelchair person. I check as best I can and ask if he is ready to proceed and he gets more angry with me for even checking and yells "just get on with the match." It was a difficult match for all involved from the standpoint that it was difficult to even score since this individual was unable to execute kicks. His competitor felt quite awkward for obvious reasons. So I dealt with it as I always do. But reflecting back this moment still brings issues that need to be addressed in an intelligent manner and I really felt put on the spot myself even with my years of experience. I welcome any thoughts but if not, thanks for listening because I really wanted to post this story for a very long time but was struggling for the words to do it. Jamaica _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: No1IDIC@aol.com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 22:06:49 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: black belt oath Do any of you have Black Belt oaths or pledges? Would find it interesting to hear some. ------------------------------ From: Steven Gilmore Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 21:45:44 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Teacher's Pest I've taught long enough to encounter "difficult" students. Let's face facts: most of the people who come into martial arts are "difficult" people looking for something to transform their lives. And my belief is that these "difficult" students are the people that REALLY NEED the benefits of good martial arts instruction: humility, loyalty, respect, discipline, etc. -- and that if they can just stick with the program long enough (meaning that I as a good teacher help guide and shape them and encourage them to continue) they will blossom into something better than what they started out as. This may strike some as being very Polly Anna, but I have lived it and it does actually work this way. (Maybe this is why I am not still teaching full-time). Sincerely, Steven Gilmore Houston, TX, USA ------------------------------ From: Howard Wilson Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 07:43:04 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Sparring Drills Paul asked: > This made me curious, though: how many folks (especially ATA'ers) have sparring > sessions at their school where they actually practice combinations, etc., with a > partner? Our Friday sparring class is generally "pick a partner and have at it", > which is OK, but is not, I believe, as beneficial as practicing drills. > Especially when you partner up with the young 8th gup who makes up in Enter the > Dragon attitude what he lacks in control... 8?). > > Just curious...thanks... > > Paul Rogers, Round Rock, TX (ATA) > > Paul, I like to do sparring drills during sparring classes as a break to free sparring. Gives time for everyone to get their breath and something to work on or new things to try with their next sparring match. Helps keep things mixed up a little then a whole class of "pick your partnet and have at it". Howard Wilson, Cincinnati, OH (ATA) ------------------------------ From: Jamaica Power Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 06:33:20 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Pressure Points >>>A prime example of pressure points is what is taught to LEOs (cops) in >>>PPCT (Pressure Point Control Tactics) or in Eskrima (the Inayan System of >>>Eskrima) as PSNA (Pressure Sensitive Nerve Areas). These are 14 basic >>>pressure points on the head/neck/arms/torso/legs. They work, they work >>>very well (Dave Steffen, would you like to describe what one felt like to >>>you? :) , and they are even safe enough for liability concerned police >>>departments to teach and use.>> ======================================================= Regarding pressure points, seminars and liability issues. The only problem I have with the too many seminars being offered is that I know teachers and counselors in public school systems that are learning these techniques (and not always through good instructors) for use on challenged students that are being mainstreamed. And worse yet, many of them do not have a comprehensive understanding of the application of pressure points. They only take one or maybe two seminars. I think this is dangerous territory. In this situation what is "safe enough" for them and for the student that is at the receiving end. In the end does not the reputation of martial arts suffer? jamaica _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Jamaica Power Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 06:56:51 PDT Subject: the_dojang: A Little question about corner referees This is one of those silly little thoughts that has rambled about my mind for many, many years. Other than looking nice, what exactly is the rationale for having the corner ref's seated in chairs, especially now that there are usually not 4 as there used to be (in most tournaments). I'm sure there is a logical reason (then again maybe not). But wouldn't it be more advantageous to have ref's on their feet and covering their bases so to speak (like in baseball...yeah I like all sports)! It would help them see more of the sparring activity from broader advantage points, and it would help some of the ref's keep more alert. Thoughts? jamaica _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 07:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Pressure Points > Regarding pressure points, seminars and liability issues. The only problem > I have with the too many seminars being offered is that I know teachers and > counselors in public school systems that are learning these techniques (and > not always through good instructors) for use on challenged students that are > being mainstreamed. And worse yet, many of them do not have a comprehensive > understanding of the application of pressure points. They only take one or > maybe two seminars. > > I think this is dangerous territory. In this situation what is "safe > enough" for them and for the student that is at the receiving end. > In the end does not the reputation of martial arts suffer? You can learn it well in one or two seminars. PPCT/PSNA is designed for that as LEOs do not have time to invest. With only 14 points taught they are easy to learn. However, most school districts would not permit teachers to use these tactics for liability concerns. A teacher can touch a kid these days... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 07:37:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #293 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, California Taekwondo Standard disclaimers apply.