From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #299 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 6 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 299 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Dux vs. Van Damme the_dojang: Re: Should Your Instructor Touch You the_dojang: Re: difference experience as a ref the_dojang: Edmonton Journal article the_dojang: Importance of 3 in the Korean Culture the_dojang: 1999 World TKD, final results the_dojang: Happy Birthday to us! the_dojang: A Real Kick, Forms, and Sparring One Steps the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jamaica Power Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 10:48:29 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Dux vs. Van Damme >>>>Please fill us in on the details. I only heard that Dux was Suing Van >>>>Damme, and I believe Dux lost the suit. I believe the suit was about >>>>Van Damme 'stealing' Dux's Story (what became the "Quest") but as I >>>>recall when I rented the Movie, Dux was Credited....so I'm really not sure of the details Heard about the drug use, didn't hear about Dux having any problems (sorry to hear it )>>>>>>>>>> ==================================================== They are still airing the trial on Court TV even though it is over and Dux lost but according to the juror interviews afterwards, Dux was winning all the way through the trial until some location and witness discrepancies right near the end. Dux apparently had a brain tumor but is doing fine and is now doing writing. He is sporting a little longer hair with a black/grey beard and glasses. Dux said he wasn't suing for the money so maybe they made some concessions regarding the credit. I don't remember them mentioning that but I'm sure lots was edited for TV. Dux said they were supposed to do this as a joint venture and they did a verbal gentleman's contract thing. Well both of them had stuff happening in their lives with VanDamme trying to clean up and Dux's illness. Apparently VanDamme used the storyline as part of his attempt to get back into things. The TV also had personal interviews with Van Damme and Dux and they both talked about lots of good memories. Sort of simple but it wasn't really complex. jamaica _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: tokay@netwurx.net Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 13:02:57 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Should Your Instructor Touch You I just love these topics. Seriously, it's a good one to be discussed. And it comes when I finally catch up on two weeks of digests. Jamaica, you will be missed when you leave off of starting all these topics :) The idea of teaching or learning or practicing at all in martial arts without touching other people seems a bit impossible. Of course there are appropriate and inappropriate ways to do this. If an instructor takes advantage of a student it is wrong because he/she is taking advantage of a student, not because he/she touched someone's wrist. I often assist teaching little kids. I often have occasion to move their arms into correct position and things like that, especially those who are not so clear on their left and right yet. I hope no one is going to accuse me of being a child molester. My instructor grabs my wrist all the time, to demonstrate hapkido techniques. The only negative thing about this in my experience is sometimes my wrist hurts :) Sometimes in practicing hapkido or sparring, people of the opposite sex touch each other accidentally in places they would not if they were, say, eating dinner together. What is important is how everyone handles themselves. Now, having said all that, as the resident Anti-Victim-Mentality person here... One thing that instructors need to be aware of is not just doing things that are improper but the appearance of doing things that are improper. Sort of like judges having to recuse themselves when there might be an *appearance* of a conflict of interest in a case. Of course, this applies to instructors who are actually decent people and not trying to take advantage of vulnerable students. Your question "should instructors touch their students" - well, I would have to say I can't see how it can be totally avoided. Should instructors take advantage of, sexually harrass, or other wise mistreat their students? Of course not. Will some of them? You betcha. Just like there are teachers, priests, and police officers who somehow got into those positions despite a lack of moral character, there will be ma instructors like that too. I think the real question is how to do something about it when this happens. Sandy tokay@netwurx.net ------------------------------ From: Jamaica Power Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 11:33:00 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: difference experience as a ref >>What DID you do? What were the repercussions of your decisions / actions / inaction's? Any Regrets? What Would you do today, given identical circumstances but current laws, rules & regulations (Both within and outside of TKD and the USTU)? Fascinating tale - Thank you Jamaica for Stimulating the Gray Matter! Eric Mueller>>>>>> ======================================================== Hi Eric... No regrets, but then that has to do more with my personality. I don't believe in would of, could of, or should of's. Not part of my vocabularly. Back then I was also a very different person and did the best I could with the operating knowledge I had at the time. Taking into consideration all the activity going on many quick decisions had to be made and yet still maintain some semblance of dignity. I also absolutely trusted one of the GM's that was there and when he gave the nod I went ahead with the match. What would I do today? Well now that I'm all growed up as they say (Smile) I don't know. See the situation at that time was totally unexpected so it puts a different slant on it. Now I'm prepared and for sure I wouldn't be concerned anymore about verbally challenging the situation. I didn't question back then as much as I do now. haha Now I'd probably have them both sign a waiver telling me they wouldn't hold me responsible if something happened. I'd call all the GM's over and do the same. I'd probably demand the match be videotaped. I'm just feistier now. I know lots about the law now that I didn't know then. I'd probably turn it around and legally challenge them for even putting me in that situation. I suspect that if I did any of the above they would have replaced me as a center ref. I wouldn't even have a problem bowing out as a ref today if I was uncomfortable with the situation. Come to think of it maybe that's why I did get the match!!! I always tried to be very cooperative and obliging back then. Iwasn't a wuss but...hmmmmmmm... ugh,,, they probably knew I wouldn't complain..Oh.... I don't want to even go there.. what a thought. Although I didn't reprimand the guy in the chair for his verbal outburst, I did give him one of my "Don't mess with me looks." And he got the message. Plus he did not continue the bad behavior. The match went on as a regular sparring match. Just very awkward. I think it was more awkward for the competitors than me. I did my best to maintain safety in the ring. I think it would have been nice afterwards to at least have an explanation of why this happened. What the reasons were. Nobody provided that info and there were other matches to tend to. When it was over everybody just disappeared as quickly as they appeared. Nobody talked about it afterwards in informal discussions. It was strange, very, very strange. There were no repercussions. Only thing is that the experience has stayed with me many years. jamaica _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 13:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Edmonton Journal article From the Edmonton Journal, re the 1999 World TKD Championships. TAEKWONDO FLAP Fighter disqualified after manager interferes with match. American Mandy Meloon was dragged out of the ring by an upset U.S. manager and disqualified Friday from the World Taekwondo Championships at the University of Alberta. Trailing 2-0 in her flyweight quarter-final against China's Guiru Yuan, Meloon was pulled off the mats by Young In Cheon, a U.S. manager who then wildly upbraided the officials for incompetence. The referee immediately awarded the fight to China. The Americans protested that there should be a rematch because Cheon wasn't Meloon's coach and, therefore, is just outside interference. After listing to complaints and reading the American's statements, the four-man arbitration board deliberated for 25 minutes and returned with a verdict - no rematch and probable sanctions against Cheon. "I understand the reasoning, but the player doesn't have the opportunity to now be fighting in the semifinals", said John Holloway, Vice-President of the U.S. Taekwondo Union. "Unfortunately, she doesn't get to go on. That's devastating for her." Meloon, 18, was still stunned by the incident hours later. "It is a little heart-breaking. But it's more frustrating because it's out of my control, she said. "Personally, I hardly ever speak to (Cheon). He hasn't said anything to me since the incident." ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Importance of 3 in the Korean Culture > << In the afternoon of October 20, 1997, another member of this forum and I > visited the Kukkiwon and there met with a Kikkiwon VP in his office. One > of the things I asked (he spoke excellent English) was if there were any > Kukkiwon 10th Dans or if any were being considered. The answer came quickly > and strongly. No, there were no Kukkiwon 10th Dans (except I really did > think > that Dr. Kim was an honorary 10th Dan ???) and he indicated that he never > thought there would be any given his explanation of what the number 10 implys > in the Korean culture and what 3 implys (and then 3x3). He did explain that > they were considering an honorary award to be sparingly given out after > 9th Dan, but that it would NOT be a 10th Dan. > > Now, I'll also say that never is a very long time... >> > > Gotta say I found your post interesting but not so much about level > and title. It really caught my eye and I found myself waiting for more > explanation on the part about the numbers and meaning/symbolism. Will you > elaborate? It was originally just explained to me that three was very important in the Korean culture because the number three was indicative of earth, man, and the heavens. But I wanted to find a little something more given that this view has been challenged by some in the past, so I went to the very interesting Korea Insights website (http://korea.insights.co.kr). An excellent resource on the Korean culture provided by the Samsung Foundation of Culture. One of the items documented there is "3 in Korea". The following is quoted directly: "Koreans have always had a special attachment for the number three. This sottae (graphic of a wooden post with 3 wooden ducks mounted on the top is omitted here), one of the many 'spirit posts' found at the entrance to rural villages across the country, is topped by three ducks, symbolizing prosperity and fertility as well as agrarian society's affinity for water. The number three has had profound significance since ancient times. Koreans have long believed that the harmonious balance of three elements -- the heavens, earth and human energy -- essential to all existence, and Koreans' affinity for the number remains powerful today." "Korean thought and religion is replete with threes, symbolizing completion and perfection. Tan'gun, Korean's mythical founder, was a triune figure, simultaneously a creator, teacher and temporal ruler. Buddhism centers around the trinity of the Buddha, his teachings and the Buddhist community. The number also figures prominently in folks belief. For example, when a son is born, the kumjul, or 'forbidding rope' hung across the gate of the house, is decorated with three red peppers and three pieces of charcoal." "In traditional society, children were expected to mourn their parents for three years after their death. Today most funerals are held three days after death, and three bows before the memorial alter are standard at rites paying homage to ancestors." "Much of Korea's traditional music follows a three-beat rhythm, and Korean food revolves around the three condiments: soy sauce, bean paste and red pepper paste. Many of the spirits found in folks religions come in threes, as do the decorations worn with the national costume, hanbok. In fact, it is difficult to find an aspect of Korean life that does not feature the number three." In addition, in the website's item describing "T'aeguk, the Supreme Ultimate. ... the three-part t'aeguk symbolizes the heaven, earth and humanity. Each part is separate but the three parts exist in unity and are equal in value. As the yin and yang of the Supreme Ultimate merge and make a perfect circle, so do heaven, earth and humanity create the universe. Therefore the Supreme Ultimate and the three-part t'aeguk both symbolize the universe." Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: 1999 World TKD, final results 1999 World Taekwondo Championships Results (final results from http://www.glondon.com/worldtkd/usa.html) Fin-Male 1. Byeong-Seok Min - Korea 2. Roberto Cruz - Phillipines 3. July Mercedes - Dominican Republic 3. Wei Chun Chen - Chinese Taipei Fin-Female 1. Asensio Belen - Spain 2. Song-Hee Yoon - Korea 3. France Pouzoulet - France 3. Kadriye Selimogou - Turkey Fly-Male 1. Jong-Il Yoon - Korea 2. Abror Haider - Denmark 3. Younes Sekkat - Morocco 3. Nhat Thong Ho - Vietnam Fly-Female 1. Shu Ju Chi - Chinese Taipei 2. Hye-Young Shim - Korea 3. Jennifer Delgado - Spain 3. Guiru Yuan - China Bantam-Male 1. Dae-Hyu Ko - Korea 2. Ahmet Evcimen -Turkey 3. Mark Lopez - United States 3. Ron Ivan - Spain Bantam-Female 1. Wang Su - China 2. Jae-Eun Jung - Korea 3. Mei-Chun Meng - Chinese Taipei 3. Christiana Back - Switzerland Feather-Male 1. Hyun-Goo No - Korea 2. Jesper Roesen - Denmark 3. Franciso Zas - Spain 3. Chi Hung Hsu - Chinese Taipei Feather-Female 1. Hae-Eun Kang - Korea 2. Iridia Salazar-Blanco - Mexico 3. Gael Texier - Canada 3. Sonia Reyes - Spain Light-Male 1. H. Saeibonehkohal - Iran 2. Byung-Uk Kim - Korea 3. Sergio Cardenas - Chile 3. Rosendo Alonso - Spain Light-Female 1. Hyang-Mi Cho - Korea 2. Hui Jing Zhang - China 3. Lisa O'keefe - Australia 3. Ekaterina Noskova - Russia Welter-Male 1. Jong-O Jang - Korea 2. Bahri Tanrikulu - Turkey] 3. Rodrigo Martinez Huerta - Mexico 3. Joshua Coleman - United States Welter-Female 1. Elena Benitez - Spain 2. Mirjam Muskens - Netherlands 3. Wan Chen Chang - Chinese Taipei 3. Barbara Pak - Canada Middle-Male 1. M. Aflakikhamseh - Iran 2. Yasin Yagiz - Turkey 3. Saginolykov Adiulkhan - Kazakhstan 3. Faissal Ebnoutalib - Germany Middle-Female 1. Yoon-Kyung Kim - Korea 2. Lallana Ibone - Spain 3. Zhong Chen - China 3. Filiz Aydin - Turkey Heavy-Male 1. Dae-Sung Moon - Korea 2. Mictar Dounbia - France 3. Daniel Trenton - Australia 3. Montesinos Ruben - Spain Ghana Heavy-Female 1. Ching Yi Kao - Chinese Taipei 2. Dominique Bosshart - Canada 3. Maria Koniahina - Russia 3. Laurence Rase - Belgium Male Team 1. Korea (95 points) 2. Iran (43 points) 3. Turkey (38 points) 4. Denmark (35 points - 2 Silver) 5. Spain (35 points - 4 Bronze) Female - Team 1. Korea (70 points) 2. Spain (51 points) 3. Chinese Taipei (47 points) 4. China (44 points) 5. Canada (29 points) Good Fighting Spirit Prize Jordan Brazil Sweden Most Valuable Players - Donated by IOC President Juan Antonio Samaranch Male - Jong Il Yoon - Korea - Flyweight Female - Wang Su - China - Bantamweight Fair Play Prize Male - M. Aflakikhamseh - Iran - Middleweight Female - Elena Benitez - Spain - Welterweight Active Participation Prize Columbia Kenya Ghana - -- Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Happy Birthday to us! While I didn't record the exact date of the 'birth' of the_dojang, we have now been in existence for five years this month. Being a person always looking for a reason to party, Happy Birthday to us!!! Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Timothy Bruening Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: A Real Kick, Forms, and Sparring One Steps Two weeks ago last week, I had a real kick at Rodness' Karate Center in Davis! We reviewed front kicks, side kicks, and round kicks. The next week, we learned our forms (Orange Form for me, starting with a right back stance and a left double knifehand block). Last week, we learned our Sparring One Steps. I am still having trouble retrieving my "Orange One-Steps" file from my brain, but I think I have my form down. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 17:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #299 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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