From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #300 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 7 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 300 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: MA and politics the_dojang: Anybody Experience This Calf Injury? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #299 the_dojang: Re: Should an Instructor Touch Students? the_dojang: Re: Edmonton Journal article the_dojang: compassion and giving the_dojang: Re: "Half-Time" Demos the_dojang: Re: V6 #297: Tang Soo Do/Moo Duk Kwan the_dojang: Re: V6 #297: dingy dobaks the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Todd and Debi Deininger" Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 15:21:38 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: MA and politics I don't believe Sen. Campbell is a practicing judoka any longer. Apparently he suffered some kind of injury playing judo. >I was able to find out that a Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-Colorado) was >elected to the House as a Democrat in 1986 and to the Senate in 1992. >In 1995 he switched parties and become a Republican. He was a member of the >Black Belt Hall of Fame in Burbank, California captained the 1964 and first >U.S. Olympic judo team. Todd ------------------------------ From: "KEVIN A. CRANE" Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 23:48:18 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Anybody Experience This Calf Injury? Hi! I wanted to ask fellow DD members if anybody has experienced the following calf injury and, if so, what did you do to recuperate and how long did it take. My right calf has bothered me for awhile (about a week or two) and got worse a week ago this past Saturday while sparring. Beforehand, my calf was feeling kind of tight even though I do a lot of wall stretches to loosen up. I thought it was a really bad muscle pull in my calf when it seemed to pull during the above sparring session. Keep in mind I didn't hear or feel any type of a pop. When it began to make my calf and ankle swell a day or two later, I decided to see my doctor. He informed me that I had a broken blood vessel (possibly more than one) in my calf. I'm to stay off my feet, ice it every 10 minutes each hour I'm awake, keep a 4 inch ace bandage wrapped around it, and take an 800 mg horse-pill of ibuprofen three times a day. When I do stand up it hurts to walk. He has me coming back for a follow-up visit this coming Tuesday afternoon. Oh, I forgot, no exercising. I'll know more (I hope) on Tuesday. I wouldn't be surprised if he tells me to hold off even longer on the exercise. The doc said that he's known people with this condition who didn't do what they were told and had to have surgery to correct the problem. I assured him that I would gladly comply with his instructions! Anyway, that's the diagnosis in a nut shell. Again, I'd appreciate hearing from any and all who have experienced this problem. After healing (I'm thinking positive!), what, if anything, can be done to avoid this type of an injury...padding all around the calves? Thank you all in advance. Kevin Crane 2nd Gup Delaware County, PA (Philly suburbs) ------------------------------ From: The3Shaws@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:24:14 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #299 In a message dated 6/6/99 5:57:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << While I didn't record the exact date of the 'birth' of the_dojang, we have now been in existence for five years this month. Being a person always looking for a reason to party, Happy Birthday to us!!! >> Ray, Congratulations and thanks, you do a GREAT job. Mary ------------------------------ From: pce@world.std.com (Peter C. Everett) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:32:50 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Should an Instructor Touch Students? Jamaica wrote: > > Should you touch your students? Whether you are a female instructor or > male instructor. > Because I do touch my students, the easy answer for me is "yes." But in typical JP fashion, she has raised a topic that is a little complicated, and rather important. Apart from the usual physical contact between all participants in class in the execution of various attacks, blocks, & drills, my touching a student is almost always a body-positioning type of thing, along with a comment like "this should be straight," or "more like this." My touch would *never* be described (as in the previous story) as the "tender, reassuring touch of a touchy-feely person," but is firm, with a specific and obvious purpose - usually to position a technique, occasionally to test for tension or relaxation in a particular muscle, and once in a great while to administer first-aid to minor injuries. This is, in fact, a good working test for appropriate vs. inappropriate touching. If a touch does not have an obvious, specific purpose related to the teaching of the material, then it is likely to be inappropriate. No student should leave the class wondering "Why did he touch me in that way?" That should be a *big* warning sign. It should go without saying that touching ought to be equal-opportunity with respect to men and women students. But it would be a denial of reality to forget that when male instructors touch female students extra sensitivity and awareness is required on average. Even with all this, there will still be students who are, for various reasons, sensitive to being touched or inordinately protective of their physical space. It is a foolish instructor who isn't prepared for this. Someone who shows signs of discomfort either needs to be instructed with words & examples only, or needs some extra narration to clarify what the touch is about. When in doubt, asking permission is never a bad idea, as in "May I position your foot the way I want you to do it?" Also, developing a touching technique that can't be misinterpreted as an inappropriate pawing or caress is a skill all its own. Enjoy, Peter C. Everett ------------------------------ From: CBAUGHN@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 01:31:07 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Edmonton Journal article In a message dated 99-06-06 20:57:15 EDT, you write: << American Mandy Meloon was dragged out of the ring by an upset U.S. manager and disqualified Friday from the World Taekwondo Championships at the University of Alberta. >> This may be the most bizarre situation I've heard of in sports since Nancy Kerrigan and Tanya Whatshername. Can we hope this "manager" won't be going to Croatia? Sally CBAUGHN@aol.com ------------------------------ From: No1IDIC@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 03:08:48 EDT Subject: the_dojang: compassion and giving In a message dated 6/6/99 1:27:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << As I move forward with my new career, I am offering to anybody out there this offer. Don't care what school, what style. This is not political, just something I personally always wanted to do cause I've always wanted to do it and now I'm in a position to do it. I will pay for 10 students (uniforms and belts) and whatever else is necessary for a truly needy student in your school. Including participation in sports competition and registration in your school. I will also pay for their belt tests to black belt if they maintain integrity and discipline and meet the strict criteria of your schools. If you have someone you feel deserves this help, contact me by personal email. I expect accountability and logs of the child's performance. jamaica >> well, Jamaica. Everytime I think you've thrown something new and unheard of in the pot you top yourself. I would very much like to talk to you about this AMAZING offer but I am not sure that I am awake :0) seriously, my GM is currently allowing a few people to train for free and frankly, he always has. My son and I do. I work for him around the office, organizing events, fund raising for nationals etc..., but my son is there b/c our GM can't turn away a serious student either 6, 16 or 66. BUT..confidentially, he needs more money. our building is not on a main road and we are trying to get in more students. a few families left b/c we don't allow "anything goes" in sparring. dad was yelling/coaching one thing in DIRECT contridiction of our masters. the risk for injury was high. I digress... anyway, I know of a few current students who will benefit from such an amazing "scholarship". love to hear from you, Dawne ------------------------------ From: Steven Gilmore Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 06:36:53 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: "Half-Time" Demos > >A few years ago at a world KSW tournament, again, not only was there MA >demos, but Grandmaster Suh had Korean dancers and fancy drummers >performing. My 2 young girls really liked that part. To clarify Master McHenry's post: There is no "half-time" break during the World Kuk Sool Won Association tournament. Color belt competition begins Saturday at 8:00 am and continues non-stop until completed, usually around 6:00 pm. The demo of which he speaks is performed Saturday night, after color belt competition. Sincerely, Steven Gilmore Houston, TX, USA ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 10:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #297: Tang Soo Do/Moo Duk Kwan Master John Hancock could answer these question in a much more authoritarian fashion than can I. In case he doesn't respond, however, I'll try to answer as best I can based on the teachings of my particular branch of the TSD tree, along with the results of a little independant research. >1) I understand that the Moo Duk Kwan is one of the major original >Korean Kwans behind TSD. Frequently, Moo Duk Kwan is also >associated with Tae Kwon Do. Why? GM Hwang Ki developed the art that is known today as Tang Soo Do or Soo Bahk Do. The name of Hwang Ki's academy was the Moo Duk Kwan. During the political maneuvering that accompanied the effort by the Korean government to institutionalize an "official" martial art, some of Hwang Ki's disciples split from him and joined the most powerful group of kwan owners and eventual winners of the "official" m. a. struggle. Their art became TKD, but some of Hwang Ki's former disciples continued to teach in part from their old curriculum and continued to call their techniques Moo Duk Kwan. Hwang Ki retained the use of the name Tang Soo Do, and TSD practitioners today (in my branch, at least) are taught that Moo Duk Kwan is just a fighting style and body of techniques, but Tang Soo Do is an art, greater than the sum of its techniques. > >2) I just saw a school affiliated with both the Moo Duk Kwan and the >WTF. Does this mean that Tang Soo Do and WTF TKD have the >same basic techniques or something like that ? >(This is the link: http://www.enteract.com/~jrdonley/tkd/index.html) Wow. That's a pretty ambitious curriculum claim: Tang Soo Do, WTF Tae Kwon Do, and a 60-form independent martial art, too. I'd be a little skeptical about how completely each traditional art is covered absent objective verification. I believe there is at least one In Young Ryu practitioner among the Dojang subscribers, perhaps some education will emanate from that source. IMHO the use of the term "Tang Soo Do" in this kind of context is questionable, and is the main reason that GM Hwang Ki trademarked and implemented the name "Soo Bahk Do". === Tang Soo! Scott "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for fredom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen" -Samuel Adams ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 10:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #297: dingy dobaks >As I was cruising around last night I passed by a karate school that had >just gotten done. Some of the little people immediately ran to a nearby >field and began playing soccer waiting for their parents to pick them up. >Later I stopped at a >McDonalds for some food and in the restaurant were a >group of teenagers with their dobaks on. No jackets, and they were headed >off to the local shopping mall (belts also in tact as with the soccer >players). > >Do you think this is good advertising or disrespectful I think this absolutely depends on the philosophy of the specific school. In our system in would be considered disrespectful to get the uniform and the belt filthy playing a head game of soccer, but would be OK to dine in it if necessary. I try not to wear my dobak to a public place because I'm not comfortable making myself that conspicuous, but that is a personal preference, abd it happens sometimes anyway. === Tang Soo! Scott "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for fredom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen" -Samuel Adams ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 07:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #300 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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