From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #305 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thurs, 10 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 305 In this issue: the_dojang: Kickboxer, wife face extortion charges the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #303 the_dojang: Re: MA AS TRENDY SOCIAL ACTIVITY the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #300 the_dojang: BUY A PIECE OF THE ROCK!! the_dojang: Re: Mandy at World Championships the_dojang: Hwarang legends the_dojang: Re:A What Would You Do Question. the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Danny Abramovitch Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 16:28:21 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Kickboxer, wife face extortion charges This article was in the San Jose Mercury News at URL: http://www.mercurycenter.com/premium/local/docs/extort05a.htm A TKD guy here at work actually took some kickboxing seminars from this guy. He had claimed to have been some sort of ultimate fight chapion (unlikelyJ). Published Saturday, June 5, 1999, in the San Jose Mercury News Kickboxer, wife face extortion charges Mercury News Staff Report A kickboxing instructor was arrested along with his wife Friday on charges of extorting more than $1.3 million in cash and promissory notes from two Los Gatos businessmen and a Monte Sereno woman. Officers from the Los Gatos Police Department SWAT team arrived at the couple's townhouse in West San Jose with federal warrants and took David E. Slavin and Elizabeth Slavin into custody without incident. Investigators said a search of their car subsequently turned up $250,000 in cash sealed in shrink wrap. David Slavin, 37, a former Santa Clara County deputy sheriff, and his wife, a records clerk with the sheriff's department, were indicted Wednesday by a San Jose grand jury. David Slavin is accused in an alleged scheme to swindle Larry Lam and Rick Donaldson, owners of Studio Kicks, a martial-arts school on North Santa Cruz Avenue, through threats and intimidation. His wife is charged with aiding and abetting the alleged scheme. David Slavin also is charged with extorting money from a 48-year-old Monte Sereno woman in connection with discussions about starting an exclusive fitness club of their own. At arraignment, prosecutors asked Magistrate Judge Patricia Trumbull to hold David Slavin without bail. Bail for his wife was set at $200,000. A detention hearing for David Slavin was scheduled for Wednesday. Contact Bill Romano at bromano@sjmercury.com or (408) 920-5512. ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:54:51 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #303 In a message dated 6/9/99 8:48:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << the_dojang: Korean ninja >> About a dozen years ago, there were two rather snotty fellas' in Denver - "The Lee Brothers" - who were billing thmeselves as "Korean Ninjas," and called therir art "Sul Sa Do." They even made the cover of a national martial arts rag, or two. Funny thing is that, in Korean, Sul Sa means diarrhea. I guess it was just a way of demonstrating how dumb we Americans can be about things Asian. SESilz ------------------------------ From: tokay@netwurx.net Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 21:54:29 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: MA AS TRENDY SOCIAL ACTIVITY Jamaica wrote: >I recently did the post on should your M.A. touch you. After reading >through the digest post and my personal emails I've come to the following >thought. > >Even in the most formal traditional setting I think an M.A. instructor >should be very careful when they touch a student (male or female). > >Next I think what is happening is this. Many of us take m.a. and take it >for the integrity the discipline, etc etc. Then there are those that take >it for competition, others to improve their health. > >However, there is a group of people that take it ONLY as a social activity. >This I know to be true. Now this is where some of the problems surface. >Martial arts as a social activity is being greatly advertised now a days >thanks to things like cardio kickboxing, Tae Bo, and what's the recent one >Kai Tae or something? These people in the infomericals aren't exactly >wearing dobaks and bowing to each other out of respect. > >Now I'm not saying those activities are bad but they are pulling in a new >population into the martial arts arena with a totally different mindset of >what m.a. is and what we are about. And it could be legally dangerous for >our serious m.a. instructors. > >M.A. is beginning to take on the air of something that is trendy, short >term, and cute and fits in well in a fitness studio. > >I think this is something we all need to consider. Not everyone is coming >in with the same mentality and more so today then ever before. >jamaica Perhaps. Certainly people who instruct or especially those that have their own school are probably needing to me ever more aware of this. At our school, prospective students are asked what their reasons are for wanting to take TKD. I don't know if anyone has ever come in and said "I want to learn how to kill people" or "I want to pick up dates" and been refused, but our GM has made an effort to know where people are coming from before he takes them on. When the Tae Bo craze started, my instructor went out and got the tapes and tried it out for himself to see if it was something he would want to teach. He practiced this by himself for about 3 months without saying anything to anyone about it, then one night after class he called everyone into a group and told us what he thought of it. He concluded that it would be very dangerous if people practiced it just from the tapes and especially for people who were not in shape they would be very prone to getting injured from following the instructions, so he decided not to get involved with it. People who are attracted to those type of things, Tae Bo, cardio kick etc. will likely gravitate to places suited to what they want. If that is what people want they will probably not be attracted to a more traditional martial arts program, or at least won't stay in it long. Each school has its own atmosphere, which is created by everyone from the instructor down to the newest student. Those who are at oddds with everyone else will likely leave. Sandy tokay@netwurx.net PS, Scott, I LOVE that quote, thanks for posting it! ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:19:28 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #300 In a message dated 6/7/99 7:54:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << << American Mandy Meloon was dragged out of the ring by an upset U.S. manager and disqualified Friday from the World Taekwondo Championships at the University of Alberta. >> This may be the most bizarre situation I've heard of in sports since Nancy Kerrigan and Tanya Whatshername. Can we hope this "manager" won't be going to Croatia? >> This team "manager" was not, in fact, a manager (I was) but, rather, an interested American party there as an observer who tried to derail a blatant injustice that was being done to the U.S. contestant. His idea was good, but it backfired due to a poor decision on the part of the referee. You see, according to WTF Rules, only the action the contestant or coach may give cause for disqualification. A "third party" entering the ring is a security violation that the hosting organization is responsible for, not the athlete or coach. Mandy made two very clean points but neither appeared on the board; her opponent, from Chinese Taipei, made one point but was awarded two. Master Cheon's goal was to object to this and to have the match replayed from the first round. The referee made a bad call, and, sadly, the arbitration committee backed him up. The good news was, the next U.S. Player who entered the ring was given his just share of points, and wound up with bronze medal finish. Master Cheon's message had been heard. If I was an athlete on the US Team, I would be thankful for Master Cheon's concern, dedication and bravery. I would be glad to have him in my chair in Croatia, too. Sincerely. Master S.E.Silz ------------------------------ From: 4karate@bellsouth.net Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 23:06:46 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: BUY A PIECE OF THE ROCK!! Hello fellow Digesters! I have an investment opportunity for you. I am in the process of opening a new martial arts business. American Dragons Martial Arts Learning Center!! We have 50 shares of stock to sell at $100 per share. The market is great and the future looks good. A share of AD stock is anticipated to give you a 20% return on your investment when dividends are paid out next year. Jump on board now and own a piece of an exciting new MA business. All potential investors are welcome. If you are serious about looking into investing, send me an e-mail expressing your interest. I'll be sure to e-mail you right back with a copy of the business plan with prospectus info. Like what you see?!! Great....then the next step is to contact me and arrange to buy the shares you want. Remember....there are only 50 shares available at this time. The minimum purchase is 1 share...and if you really want...you can buy all 50 (but you have to get to me soon if that's the case). Send that e-mail inquiry now to 4karate@bellsouth.net care of John Hancock, Manager of American Dragons. A professional investment in a professional martial arts learning center. ------------------------------ From: CBAUGHN@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:28:18 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Mandy at World Championships TKDtiger wrote: << Actually my understanding is the frustration was with the judges who were not scoring points for the US players. I think the article makes it look like Mandy was doing something wrong and to my knowledge she was not. >> Thanks for the clarification... it makes the incident seem less bizarre. Actually, I thought the article showed the manager in a bad light. Mandy seemed to be more like someone who's in the middle of a big mess without knowing how she got there. Don't know how anyone could blame her for anything. Now for another couple of questions. Was there a reason this manager couldn't have let Mandy's coach do what he thought was necessary? Or would it have been possible to protest the match after it was finished rather than have it end this way? I'm just trying to make some sense of a situation that seems to be very illogical (at least to me). Thanks for any help in understanding. Sally CBAUGHN@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Cris Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:52:38 +0300 Subject: the_dojang: Hwarang legends > There are many stories and legends out there. Be careful in > generalizing. The Hwa Rang are historically documented fact. Legends about > them, well, that's up to who you talk to. Greetings all , I am sorry if I offended somebody talking about " Hwarang legends " . I know very well that Hwarang are very documented historical facts because I have done some long time researches on this subject . I was just interested in other informations about warrior groups from the koreean history , related to the way of stealth and survival , kinda koreean ninja - their history and fighting methods . I heard about a group ( or school ? )called " Night tigers ". Any informations or web resources will be appreciated . best regards , Cris ------------------------------ From: "Stratton, Sam" Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:57:42 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re:A What Would You Do Question. So she begins her instruction and some of them in the group make snide comments. At this point she should instruct the "so called" adults in the fine art of push-ups or any other punitive exercise. I have been given push-ups once by a 14 year old black belt, I dropped immediately with a "Yes Ma'am" when the order was given. There are those in the dojang that give respect based only on chronology. If we correct their behavior patterns when we first see evidence, are we not providing an opportunity for the offending student to grow and become a better martial artist? If the young black belt's orders are not followed immediately including a "yes sir / Ma'am!" then the adult black belt should step in with intensity to assist in the reeducation effort. Just my opinion, as always YMMV. Thanx Sam (list-lurker) Stratton 1st Dan WTF ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #305 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, California Taekwondo Standard disclaimers apply.