From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #306 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thurs, 10 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 306 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: V6 #304: breaking my stones the_dojang: Re: The Maloon/Cheon Incident (V6#305) the_dojang: Re: M.A. as a social activity(V6#304) the_dojang: From Amazon.com the_dojang: Re: Should Your M.A. Instructor Touch You the_dojang: Re: M.A. as a social activity the_dojang: Re: M.A. as a social activity the_dojang: LEO Pressure Point Training the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #304: breaking my stones >I just read an article that stated that while one brick might require 120 >pounds of force to break; another brick of identical dimensions and type >could require 1200 pounds of force. Interesting. Can you cite the article for us? Tang Soo! === Scott ------------------------------ From: pce@world.std.com (Peter C. Everett) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:17:52 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The Maloon/Cheon Incident (V6#305) Master S.E.Silz wrote: > ... > Mandy made two very clean points but neither appeared on the board; her > opponent, from Chinese Taipei, made one point but was awarded two. Master > Cheon's goal was to object to this and to have the match replayed from the > first round. The referee made a bad call, and, sadly, the arbitration > committee backed him up. > ... I only know what I have read about the incident, but putting the pieces together it seems clear that the ref and the committee did the right thing. Even though Cheon was technically a "third party," he was interfering on behalf of Meloon. He tried to use his status as a third party to "game the system." Scoring injustices happen. What if every time someone thought their side was being robbed they could run into the ring and drag their player off, resetting the score to 0-0 and starting over? I don't think that would be good for taekwondo. Maloon may have suffered an injustice in her match, but taekwondo would have suffered a larger injustice had the committee sided with her. Enjoy, Peter C. Everett ------------------------------ From: pce@world.std.com (Peter C. Everett) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 13:00:22 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: M.A. as a social activity(V6#304) Jamaica wrote: > ... > However, there is a group of people that take it ONLY as a social activity. > This I know to be true. Now this is where some of the problems surface. > Martial arts as a social activity is being greatly advertised now a days > thanks to things like cardio kickboxing, Tae Bo, and what's the recent one > Kai Tae or something? These people in the infomericals aren't exactly > wearing dobaks and bowing to each other out of respect. > ... Reading between the lines, I am assuming that this "social MA" group is more likely to come to class with the idea of a romantic encounter or playing out some kind of victimization game rooted in a psychological need of some sort. I've actually seen both of these things play out in my class, but they stayed contained and were resolved gently and peacefully. Two minor incidents in 15 years is a pretty good average, I think. Compared to the average MA class on campus, mine is relatively "hard core." The workouts are not easy, and for people who aren't in the best of shape their main concern is getting to the end of the drill, not "Who's the cutest guy/gal in class?" I think that maintaining an intense workout is in large measure good protection against having lots of people in class primarily interested in a social scene or playing out some psychodrama. At the same time it will attract people who are serious about challenging themselves physically and growing in a new dimension. This may also be why there are 50 beginners in the first week and only 7 in the third week. Being a non-commercial, university based club, the pressure to retain a larger percentage, with a broader range of motivations for being there, is zero. Enjoy, Peter C. Everett ------------------------------ From: Jamaica Power Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:20:55 PDT Subject: the_dojang: From Amazon.com Interesting new Asian health cookbook: http://www.amazon.com/spoonful-of-ginger-excerpt _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Jamaica Power Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:27:22 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Should Your M.A. Instructor Touch You This is in response to a few private emails I got asking if I felt there were specific areas of concern regarding my question. The top two that come to mind are these: 1). The interpretation of touch by the receiving party. Although the instructor might be the most upstanding, respectable instructor in this case it would not matter. The martial arts sometimes attracts needy, dependent people. The blackbelt instructor portrays courage, strength, and is the epitome of everything that is missing in their lives. Much like it is not unusual for a patient to fall in love with their doctor during a long illness or to fall in love with their psychologist. Ours is a similar scenario. If there is a touch they can make it into something it is not with sad consequences. Ever watch the movie Fatal Attraction, although in that case he did at first agree to the relationship. But I think you get my point. 2). The second scenario is the young female. Worse yet if she is a minor. She falls in love (so to speak) with the instructor or perhaps just thinks it would be fun, or is attracted to you and is on a mission. So the instructor approriately holds onto her ankle to point her toes for a roundhouse kick. She goes and tells everyone that while he was doing this he rubbed his finger on her foot. Now nobody could see this so it becomes a game of he said/she said and nasty rumors. If the instructor doesn't respond to this kind of person's attention she may become even more desperate and claim foul play or take him to court. Much like some women claim false rape when they get mad at their boyfriends. It is more of a game of conquest to get the Master Instructor; one way or another. If it goes to court I believe the burden of proof would fall on the Instructor even those that have an impeccable reputation. People outright lie. And then you would have to prove why you touched this individual at all. You would be questionned if there were not other methods to teach like pictures, diagrams, videotapes, etc. And there would be questions about questions like do you touch all students. Yet another sad occurrence and worse yet a bad reputation for the instructor and an undeserved one. And it's not that you couldn't provide answers to these questions. That's not my point. Now, to add to this there are nasty instructors out there. And while there are many excellent instructors on this forum the few bad ones in the world certainly muddy the waters both in the schools and in the courtrooms. And sometimes the bad ones set precedents in the court of law and that's not good should a good instructor ever have to deal with this situation. So there you have it. A couple of ways I was looking at this situation. J _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Brian Karas Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:21:15 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: M.A. as a social activity >I recently did the post on should your M.A. touch you. After reading >through the digest post and my personal emails I've come to the following >thought. > >Even in the most formal traditional setting I think an M.A. instructor >should be very careful when they touch a student (male or female). > There are always going to be times when you have to touch your student, be it to turn their hand or foot into the correct position, or to get them to deepen a stance or square their shoulders, etc. I do this occasionally, and have never had any complaints over several years of teaching. As long as what you are doing can't be mistaken for anything other than making a correction or showing a proper position, I see nothing wrong. After all, TKD )or any other martial art) is a physical activity, and this sometimes involves touching. In my opinion it's hard to avoid sometimes. As I say though, as long as it's obvious what is going on, I see no problem. Brian ------------------------------ From: Elizabeth Rachel Sykes <084254@bud.cc.swin.edu.au> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:48:58 +1000 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: M.A. as a social activity >I recently did the post on should your M.A. touch you. (snip) >However, there is a group of people that take it ONLY as a social activity. >This I know to be true. Now this is where some of the problems surface. I agree. Some people participating in the martial arts veiw their training as nothing more than a fitness session with their friends. Sometimes they may fail to pick up on some of the integral subtlties/lessons such as respect. - -- (Hoping the format worked) Elizabeth Sykes 6th Gup 084254@bud.cc.swin.edu.au ------------------------------ From: Bob Michaelis Date: Thu, 10 Jun 99 19:57:06 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: LEO Pressure Point Training - -- [ From: Bob Michaelis * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- I am interested in the recent post concerning basic pressure point training offered to LEO's. I'd appreciate any book or video references. Thanks. Bob Michaelis North Indy TKD ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #306 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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