From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #309 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 12 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 309 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: What would you do question the_dojang: Endurance advice the_dojang: Grand master Benko the_dojang: Re: Do you let students test when injured the_dojang: Dragons gate the_dojang: Re: Compartment syndrome the_dojang: Re: What would you do? (V6#308) the_dojang: shins the_dojang: Re: Do you let students test when injured the_dojang: Re: An interesting situation at a test the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #308 'What would you do?" the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jamaica Power Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:31:43 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: What would you do question >>> BTW, I should mention that 16-year-olds are considered adults at our school. Anyone 16 or older can receive a key to the dojang so they can come in and train at any time. I wonder how many other schools respect and trust their teenage students that much... ~John Franich>>>>>> ======================================== Thanks for this great post John. Your students are most fortunate. We surely have some excellent instructors on this forum. Oh BTW ... I think I forgot to mention that this was a true story and I was the senior black belt. J _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Aaron Harmon" Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:36:19 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Endurance advice Hi guys, I will be testing for my Red-Black next week (Dan-Bo, I guess) and I have no doubts that I will pass, but... That means that I have about 6 months until my 1st Dan test, and I need to work on aerobic endurance. Now I am a big guy with knee issues and can't run much, because I get shin splints in an instant, (and it is not part of the test, whew!) but I need to increase my endurance other ways. Most of my aerobic training is during class (2-3 times a week). Any low-impact aerobic stuff that I can do on my non-class days that y'all can suggest? I have done walking (which is good), but I heard that bike riding would not be good for my flexibility (which is not great). Aaron Harmon Never underestimate the power of human stupidity. -R. A. Heinlein ------------------------------ From: Anders Torvill Bjorvand Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:00:17 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Grand master Benko Hello, I stumbled across a website (I often do...). The address is www.itatkd.com The association is called the International Taekwon-Do Association and is lead by James Benko who claims to hold 9th Dans in four martial arts including TKD and Hapkido. Is this guy for real, or is he yet another self-promoting renegade ? The website looks impressive, in my opinion. Sincerely, Anders Torvill Bjorvand Norway ------------------------------ From: Stan Lim Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:21:09 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Do you let students test when injured Jamica asked, and I felt the need to respond even though I'm not an instructor. I'm still injured, and I'm testing in about 2 hours :-) >A continuing debate seems to be whether or not to let a student test while >injured. During my days/years I have had the normal bruises, 3 broken ribs, >a fractured sternum and a smooshed spine and pelvic area. Serious injuries like those, you shouldn't even be in class, let alone test. In my case, I'm still hurting from my badly twisted knee from last October. >Hmmmmm. > >Anyway if you know a student is injured would you make them wait until the >next test, administer a test which didn't affect their injured part, or >anything else? It has been 5 months since my last test (also when I was injured), and unfortunately, it seems like my knee is taking forever to heal (probably because I'm still training as often as work allows). My instructor knows that I can't do jumping kicks because the landings will re-injure my knee. He told me last night that he would leave a note for the examiner to "excuse" me from any jumping kicks. Other than that, I'm expected to perform just like everyone else. Personally, I think the last test and this coming test are tests of my mental development and not physical as I clearly have not regained all my skill and balance. Kamsa Hamnida! Stan slim@employees.org ------------------------------ From: "Aaron Harmon" Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:51:42 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Dragons gate Anybody know where I can either see or find a copy of a martial arts movie "the Dragon's Gate"? It is supposed to be banned in S.Korea because it deals with a Japanese branch of Buddhism that is banned there. Anybody know which branch of Buddhism that might be? Shingon-shu, Tendai-shu, Jyodo-shu, Jyodo-shinshu, Nichiren-shu, Sodo-shu, Rinzai-shu, maybe? ------------------------------ From: Eric Mueller Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:32:12 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Compartment syndrome > Compartment syndrome occurs when tissues or structures are constricted. This usually occurs due to tissue swelling within a confined space. Compartment syndrome can be relatively mild as in the case of mild Carpal tunnel Syndrome, or truly emergent and potentially life threatening, as in the Compartment syndromes associated with a Casted Limb or a circumfrentially burned patient. To simplify the physiology of Compartment Syndrome: Injury Causes Swelling - if the space is restricted the swelling will cause compression of the blood supply, thus robbing the tissue of badly needed oxygen. The tissue responds to this lack of oxygen (actually increase in CO2) by swelling some more - a viscous circle ensues where the injured tissue gets less and less oxygen delivered and, if left unchecked, the injured tissue will die. People have lost limbs due to compartment syndrome from swelling within a cast after a fracture - as a result most orthopedists will wait a couple of days post fracture to cast the limb (they will immobilize the limb in the interim with a splint or 'half cast') I know firsthand of a patient who experienced a very painful compartment syndrome due to an IV infiltrating (leaking out of the vein into the tissue). The discomfort did go away after a couple of days, and as the pain dissipated his functionality of the limb returned to normal. Let me know how you make out Eric Mueller > From: "KEVIN A. CRANE" > Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 16:37:49 -0400 > Subject: the_dojang: Posterior Compartment Syndrome > > Hello Again. I recently wrote about having a broken blood vessel(s) in my calf and > wanted to provide an update. The doctor told me this condition is called Posterior > Compartment Syndrome and that it often times takes a while to heal. People who > don't seek treatment for this problem can end up needing surgery to correct it as > well as several units of blood during the operation. The scary part about this > problem is that what feels like a bad muscle pull could really be something worse. > This doesn't have to occur in the calf like I have, but can occur in other parts of > the leg from what I understand. > > Has anybody out there ever experienced this problem? I would be very interested to > hear about your situation...how long were you out of martial arts as a result, what > did you do to get healthy other than just rest it, is there anything that can be > done to prevent this type of injury, etc. Thank you very much! > > Kevin Crane > 2nd Gup > Delaware County (Philly suburb) > ------------------------------ From: pce@world.std.com (Peter C. Everett) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:33:14 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: What would you do? (V6#308) Jamaica wrote: > When I was testing for 2nd Dan in one of the m.a I was all set up for board > breaking. Was going to execute 3 different breaks. First one was an elbow > strike into 3 boards, next a back spinning kick into 3 boards, and then a > knife hand into one. > > Everything was set. All the boards set up in the right place > with the board holders. > > The BB panel was all set to watch me as was my instructor and GM. > > They were directly in front of me. And I take a deep breath, focus, put > arms up for the elbow strike and my instructor stops me, shakes his head > and says not to do it. > > The GM looks at me and says do it. Just like that. I think some additional questions need to be asked: Did your instructor stop you because he thought you should wait a moment, until someone important was no longer distracted, and then continue? (The GM, perhaps?) Did your instructor stop you because he saw that one of the boards in the stack was turned 90 degrees? Did your instructor stop you because he didn't think you could do it? Did your GM know what your instructor's reservations were, but thought differently? Did your instructor have a good idea of your breaking ability, based on long-term training? Was your instructor's reason a complete mystery to you, even after the GM said to go? My answer to what you should do depends on the answer to the above. I'm going to guess that your instructor was merely making sure the GM saw your awesome break, and your GM knew this, and therefore gave you the GO signal. In which case, I would blast away. Some years ago my club put on a demonstration on the occasion of the GM's visit. One of my 1st dan candidates was a short, thin, wispy- looking young woman who was mentally tough as titanium and knew how to focus with her whole body. She was setting up a 3 boards, hand held by classmates, to be broken with a forward elbow strike. The GM, seeing the thickness of the stack and the thinness of the arms, asked "How many boards?" "Three," she said. "You're sure? three?" The GM looked at her, and then at me. I smiled broadly and nodded. She blasted them apart, neat as you please. The GM was very impressed. He went to her and made a show of checking her arm, jokingly feeling for a pipe hidden in her sleeve, and finding her elbow was even thinner than it looked. A memorable TKD moment for sure! Enjoy, Peter C. Everett ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: shins Re shin problems from running... I, too, used to have shin problems from running on hard surfaces. It can be rather painful. But what -seemed- to work for me was to stretch the calf muscles out VERY well before running as well as stretching out the shin itself, by sitting back on my insteps (toes to instep to knees on the ground, then laying back to stretch the thighs and shins). Doing lots of stretching, lots of calf raises/stretching on a step, etc., before and after the runs seemed to keep my shins from bothering me. YMMV Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: ZCOMBATMA@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 02:45:25 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Do you let students test when injured Anyway if you know a student is injured would you make them wait until the next test, administer a test which didn't affect their injured part, or anything else? Back in Feb. of this year I was to test 3 people for blackbelt, five days before the test a student who works at a auto body shop cut his hand so bad that he would only have 30% to 40% usage of his index finger, he was in a cast and wanted to know if he could still test. I went to ask my GM to see what he would say and I was told that he could do the test and let him do it. I told the student that he could test and that the promotion board had already seen him spar so he would not have to do that and he could do the breaking with the other hand. He called me before the testing took place and said that he would wait until he could do all of the testing for he did not feel right only having to do some of it. If I knew that the student was at the level of the next rank then I would let that student test if they are able to be there and test, for you see them in the classroom and you know what they can do. James WCAF/WJDKF ------------------------------ From: Stan Lim Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 00:58:20 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: An interesting situation at a test Jamaica described one of her more interesting testing experiences: >When I was testing for 2nd Dan ... ... my instructor stops me, shakes his head and says not to do it. >The GM looks at me and says do it. Just like that. Happens here as well, sometimes. Sometimes it is the other way around when the instructor sets the student up for something, and the GM says no. I guess the question is who more accurately judged your potential for that test - your instructor or your GM. So, how did you do? Or did I need to ask? :-) Respectfully, Stan Lim slim@employees.org ------------------------------ From: Susanbkirk@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 08:42:29 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #308 'What would you do?" The post by Mr. Franich made an excellent point. One reason I have my 9 year old son in our school is for the wonderful role models he sees there. Many teenagers of impeccable character and behavior. I respect their authority in class and welcome their help, and would expect nothing less from anyone else. I am only 7th gup, but if I see disrespect from a lower rank or younger student, I get after them for it. (I get my 'mom voice' out!) I feel that allowing disrespect affects the 'flavor' of the whole class. That doesn't mean we don't laugh and have fun in class - just that we don't allow one or two people to spoil our serious efforts at training. IMHO, If they aren't sincere about learning and working hard, they don't really need to be there. TaeKwon! Susan ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 07:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #309 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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