From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #312 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 15 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 312 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Belt Test the_dojang: Re: Biking Questions the_dojang: Re: Coming Back to Class the_dojang: New Hapkido Federation the_dojang: Re: Sul Sa Do the_dojang: Hello the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #298 the_dojang: Oh, Thank Heaven it's over..... the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #311 the_dojang: Re: absences the_dojang: Sul Sa the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #308 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #311 the_dojang: Re: V6 #311: knights that say knee the_dojang: Donna's stamina. the_dojang: Absent from class the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:48:12 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Belt Test In a message dated 6/14/99 2:32:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Just to let you know. I tested again two weekends ago and passed. I am a brown stripe now. Donna >> Congratulations Donna !! Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:47:35 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Biking Questions In a message dated 6/14/99 2:32:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << First off. Hello Laura. It is good to be on a list together again. :) Now I have been thinking about bike riding again. Any suggestions on building stamina? I have this steep hill as a driveway. What would you suggest to do to build stamina for going up that? >> Also .... why do they have such uncomfortable seats ?? They are hard and narrow and hurt ! Do they make softer, wider ones for bikes? I would bike but hate the seats. Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:01:45 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Coming Back to Class In a message dated 6/14/99 2:32:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I've noticed a lot of my fellow students at my dojang have very sporadic attendance and I'm not sure if that's due to the parents hectic schedule or just a lack of motivation on the students part. My GM always makes comments to the students that have been out of class for a while and puts the absent student on the "spot" asking questions like, where were you? Are you not serious about TKD? Then proceeds to tell the class all about laziness and how it is the enemy of TKD. Well, I went on vacation for a week and took another week off (I sprained my foot while I was on vacation.) Now I'm nervous about returning. I also missed some time during finals (I'm a college student) Is there anything I could say or do so my GM wouldn't make me the class spectacle. I'm sure I'm being silly, but I'm already fumbling in class and I fear this will make me even more nervous..... >> Wow! How is his retention in his school? Do these people come back after he has put them on the spot like this? Everyone has a personal life and everyone has their own time schedule to get to black belt and beyond. No one should be made a spectacle. He should take them aside and ask if there is a problem or a maybe they need to come in and work out privately because his schedule doesn't fit their time schedule. Quietly finding out and being concerned for your students should be a priority ... not an unpleasant task. Just go in and talk to him right away ... see him before he sees you and explain. And of course, you have been calling into the school to let them know why you won't or weren't there, right? Instructors worry .... just like mom and dads do. :-) Illona ------------------------------ From: "Victor Cushing" Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:15:21 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: New Hapkido Federation You may want to take a look at our web site http:/modernhapkido.org There are some animated photo .gif files (poor man's video) on the pages. Those files take some time to load, but you may find that they are fun to watch. If you check out our site, drop me an e-mail privately with your comments and ideas, please do not clutter up the digest. Victor Cushing ------------------------------ From: "Jon David Payne" Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:36:14 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Sul Sa Do Wasn't that article about Dr Lee Joo Bang's son's and the secret society/spies of the Hwarang? Just wondering, Jon ------------------------------ From: "Jon David Payne" Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:42:13 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Hello My name is Jon Payne, I'm stationed in Minot ND and have been here 19 months. I'm a 1st Dan in Kukki-Taekwondo and was working on Combat Hapkido (5th Gup) before my instructor moved to Puerto Rico. I have experience in Kajukembo, Tukong Moosul, Shorin Ryu, and ITF Taekwon-Do as well. I must say though that was a long time ago and I'm quite the neophyte now. Jon ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:37:13 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #298 > > > From: Jamaica Power > Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 18:31:08 PDT > Subject: the_dojang: Should Your Master Instructor Touch You? > > Okay, you took this course for self-confidence. The martial arts proclaims > self-confidence, integrity, indomitable spirit, perseverence and respect to > name a few. And oh my gosh he's a something something black belt.. Wow!!!! > ...snip... > Comments from men and women... > > Should you touch your students? Whether you are a female instructor or > male instructor. > Absolutely! However, there is a right way and a wrong way. When I was getting ready to certify as an instructor, my instructor was conducting a class on our class management skills. He used the example of the "golf instructor" and with the permission of a female student, he got around behind her, put his arms around her and adjusted her hand position. This was a classic example of a "bad" way to do it. What was really funny was this - in the next class, she knew what was coming and when he put his arms around her (again, after asking her permission), she rolled her eyes and moaned, "Ooohhh, my hero." He turned beet red and jumped back like she had caught on fire. We all had a good laugh about it. The best way, IMHO, is to approach the student from the front and do the correction at arm's length. For example, if I have a student who is doing a high block incorrectly, I will come in front and position him / her correctly, but I will have my arms fully extended so that there is distance between the bodies. For anything else, I *always* ask permission to touch the student, such as demonstrating an escape from a bear hug. ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:58:56 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Oh, Thank Heaven it's over..... Whewww... I just got back from Little Rock, AR after attending the ATA's World Championship Tournament. It was also the 30th anniversary of the ATA and our "Millenium Expo" to boot. We have had the tournament in the Statehouse Convention Center for years; this year, we were the first event in the new expansion of the SCC and they honored Grand Master Lee with a plaque on the wall of the new facility. Now I gotta prepare for next year..... ------------------------------ From: d g Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:27:30 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #311 > From: tokay@netwurx.net > Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:14:25 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Welcome, Donna > > Hey, Donna, welcome to the list. Nice to see you here. > Hello Sandy. I will see if it is nice to be here. :) After what happened I am not sure if I belong here either. Donna ------------------------------ From: tokay@netwurx.net Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:48:52 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: absences >about laziness and how it is the enemy of TKD. Well, I went on vacation >for a week and took another week off ( I sprained my foot while I was on >vacation.) Now I'm nervous about returning. I also missed some time during >finals ( I'm a college student ) Is there anything I could say or do so my >GM wouldn't make me the class spectacle. I'm sure I'm being silly, but I'm >already fumbling in class and I fear this will make me even more >nervous..... Aimee, Why not call your instructor and tell him you sprained your foot and were out of town? Instructors usually take this better when they know what is happening with you, otherwise they just think you come and go without any serious intent to learn. Taking the time to courteously inform them of your reason for being gone will probably go a long way and they will have no reason to "make a spectacle" of you. Of course, if they do, I would not want to have an instructor who says to everyone "Hey, look at lazy Aimee, she sprained her foot and took a whole week off, what a lazy person" :) Hope your foot feels better. Sandy - -- tokay@netwurx.net http://www.netwurx.net/~tokay ICQ 39586040 ------------------------------ From: 4karate@bellsouth.net Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:03:17 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Sul Sa >>About a dozen years ago, there were two rather snotty fellas' in Denver - "The Lee Brothers" - who were billing thmeselves as "Korean Ninjas," and called therir art "Sul Sa Do." They even made the cover of a national martial arts rag, or two. Funny thing is that, in Korean, Sul Sa means diarrhea. I guess it was just a way of demonstrating how dumb we Americans can be about things Asian. SESilz Mr. Silz, I'm not defending these gentlemen by any means (I don't know either of them), but in all fareness, Sul Sa tactics was a subdivision of the Hwarang military training...and an intelligence gathering branch of the Silla military was referred to as Sul Sa. It my understanding that the word 'SA' in this instance is a suffix term usually attached to the name of a monk (which as the Hwarang were a neo-religious order....its usage makes some sense). The work 'Sul' as used in this instance is referring to "Killing" "Death" or "Deadly". In order to understand the titles and names of many ancient practices...it is always wise to check the context of its use and the Chinese characters used for the title or name. In this case, "Sul Sa", refers to a specific context and the characters define and identify this clearly. Sul Sa were "Killing Monks". I know...this seems to be a contradiction.....but remember...this was a way of catagorizing a very small and unique group within the Hwarang military structure. The Sul Sa of Silla were Korea's version of Shinobi (Ninja). Remember.....much of what the Korean Martial Artists would tell you is often incorrect....but built upon some measure of fact. The reason is obvious...to entice you to spend money in their schools by romanticizing what they will be teaching and doing. This is why people like Ashida Kim (aka Chris Hunter) or Frank Dux are able to have and maintain a niche in the modern MA community. Often...people much prefer the fantasized over the actual. However, SUL SA is a legitimate term and it in ANCIENT KOREA was a term used to identify a specialized intelligence gathering unit. I must reiterate here for sake of our younger and less educated readers.....the SUL SA were no where near the romanticized versions we hear about today.....and make no mistake....the SUL SA did not survive past the Koryo Dynasty. Now that is not to say that some elements of their practices did not survive...but if anyone...and take heed here...ANYONE tell you they are a SUL SA decendant or that they know and teach the ancient arts of the SUL SA in their entirity......CALL THEM A LIAR TO THEIR FACE. True agents of intelligence organization never...and I do mean NEVER....tell anything concerning their membership or activities. If a guy uses a claim of such membership to impress you or attempt to promote himself in anyway....that in and of itself is the proof you are seeking that he definitely is not any of what he claims. I have met individuals who are members of modern intelligence agencies...and I can tell you...the only reason I even knew of their membership was because I applied to become one when I was in the military. Obviously I never became a member...or I wouldn't be having this little talk about it with you now (and before the crap starts...I chose not to accept an entry position because of the obvious strain it would put on my marraige. In making that choice....I closed a door of opportunity. But I can assure you.....such individuals never ever proclaim their membership and involvement. It just isn't done. Period.). So....as for these Lee brothers being "Sul Sa", without a doubt...this is simply a self promotion ploy. This may or may not mean they are any good at martial arts. The individual known as "Count Dante" was actually very good at what he DID do...but his claims of being a decendant of Spanish Royalty and being the "worlds deadliest man" and his training in anceint and deadly Ninja arts was pure hogwash. His real name was John Keehan, he was a hair dresser by trade and meglamaniac by design. He also was a decent street fighter...but by the standards of the 1960's and 70's....he was deadly, but only because in those days there were only a very small number of people who would even consider kicking a man in the groin, gouging his eyes out or hitting him in the throat. That group was criminals....and John Keehan ........who was a con man by trade...and therefore...well...you can connect the dots yourself. Times have changed. Today...most of us wouldn't bat an eye at kicking someone in the groin or popping them in the throat if they assault us. Yet...sharlatans still abound and are more proliferate today than ever before. Therefore, it is encumbent upon us as professional martial artists to become educated in all aspects of Asian and Oriental culture and history....so we can verify or ferrett out "SUL SA" shames of today. John Hancock ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 08:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #308 >If I could find a >source for bricks that only require 12 pounds of force, I'd place a HUGE >order!!! Done! Same North Jersey guys that run rubbish hauling outifts and construction companies that specialize in concrete buildings without the cement. Suggest you pay on time, however, m.a. or no m.a.;>) === Tang Soo! Scott ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #311 Don Hahn wrote: >I don't know what Korean words were. Sul sa, Sool Sal, sur sa, etc. >I wouldn't conclude that it means diarrhea. Sa can means many things, >including the number four and death. Sul can mean technique or alcohol, >among other things. No comment on the Lee brothers but a comment on >English >romanization/translations of Korean words. So it could have meant "death technique"? === Tang Soo! Scott ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #311: knights that say knee >> Any low-impact aerobic stuff that I can do on my non-class days that y'all >> can suggest? > >This may sound goofy, but have you tried Taebo? The advanced tape is a >pretty good aerobic workout and works on the same muscles you use for >your MA. I'd consult an ortho guy first. After my knee arthroscopy, my surgeon specifically prohibited leg extensions or any other leg activity that relies on the joint itself to stop an extension, i.e. air kicks. I haven't taken a real close look at Tae Bo, but it seems to me it contains a lot of techniques that would meet that description. Your knee problems may differ from mine, your surgeon may have a different point of view, but IMHO it would be foolish to assume that this type of activity is prudent without confirming medical advice. === Tang Soo! Scott ------------------------------ From: "Alexander, Stephen (Nexfor)" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 09:14:54 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Donna's stamina. Donna wrote: >>Any suggestions on building stamina? I have this steep hill as a driveway. What would you suggest to do to build stamina for going up that? Just to let you know. I tested again two weekends ago and passed. I am a brown stripe now. << I don't know how long your driveway is, but might I suggest you run up the hill then walk back down it, facing up the hill. Not only builds stamina, but stretches the back of your legs well too. We used to do this a lot on a hill that was about a quarter mile in length and on about a 35+ degree angle, boy, after about 7or 8 of those you were about ready to collapse. Of course if you do it with your team mates or friends, you have to beat them to the top..... ;-> If you want to use your bike, you are going to need a LONG driveway to help you build stamina. Much easier to get the heart rate up when running a short distance than when cycling the same distance. Steve Alexander To win 100 victories in 100 battles is not the highest skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill. Sun Tzu / Gichin Funakoshi ....... Take your pick ! ------------------------------ From: Mo Smith Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 06:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Absent from class While attendance is very important to learning TKD or for that matter anything else, my opinion is that you do have to make allowances for other people's schedules. Should the instructor want the student to be at most, if not all, of the classes? Absolutely. Should he/she expect it? That wouldn't be very realistic. In my school we have quite a few younger students who are also involved in other activities. Football, scouts, drama etc. Sometimes the schedules clash and the student has to make a choice. Sometimes it's to come to class and sometimes it's not. So, how do I think the instructor should handle it? Well, the students must know up front that if their attendance isn't good that they will not be able to test. It's quite a motivator to see other people you started with, or who started after you, catch up or pass you in ranking. A good instructor should create an atmosphere where students always feel welcome. If you do that and have classes that engage the student both physically and mentally, they will want to come and will do whatever it takes to get to class. And, if they can't, then they probably have a very good reason. The types of absences that are bad are the sporatic student, i.e. One who comes for a couple weeks then disappears a few weeks at a time, and the lasy student who looks for any excuse to miss class. Those students disrupt the class and shouldn't be tolerated. Now that I realize that I have gotten way off track from the original question here's my take on your situation. When you get back to class, remember that you are there for yourself. Not for your instructor. Now, of course, your instructor deserves you respect and courtesy ( I hope ) and an apology for missing class with an explanation would be good, but if he/she takes your missing class personally then there really isn't much you can do about it. Any instructor who is worth there salt can tell when someone misses class for valid reasons and handle it accordingly. Whew, sorry about the rant there. Mo _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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