From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #313 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 16 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 313 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Biking questions the_dojang: Info on Kukkiwon Certificates? the_dojang: RE: Attendance the_dojang: Re: knights that say knee the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #312 the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #312 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #312 the_dojang: re: biking stamina and seats the_dojang: Hogu Size the_dojang: Re: Welcome - This list / Not this list the_dojang: Training in Korea the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #312 RE:the_dojang: Absent from class the_dojang: California Schools the_dojang: Re: Biking Questions the_dojang: Scholarship Closed for 1999 the_dojang: Back to Class the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #312 Re: the_dojang: Info on Kukkiwon Certificates? the_dojang: back... ......................................................................... 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Heather Burnam Volesky Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:16:59 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Biking questions > ------------------------------ > > From: MissIllona@aol.com > Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:47:35 EDT > Subject: the_dojang: Re: Biking Questions > > In a message dated 6/14/99 2:32:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: > > << First off. Hello Laura. It is good to be on a list together again. :) Now > I have > been thinking about bike riding again. Any suggestions on building stamina? I > have this steep hill as a driveway. What would you suggest to do to build > stamina > for going up that? >> > > Also .... why do they have such uncomfortable seats ?? They are hard and > narrow and hurt ! Do they make softer, wider ones for bikes? I would bike > but hate the seats. > > Illona > Illona, Terry and Serfa both make a variety of seats that are more comfortable than the standard bike seat. Terry specifically designs seats for women. I bought a Serfa seat that has quite a bit of padding and a hole in the center of the "neck" of the seat. This prevents the seat from pressing along the center of my parts -- which was really painful. Now the pressure is in the side creases of my pelvis, but this pressure is dull instead of sharp. I can bike about 15 miles before I'm in pain whereas I could only bike a mile on a regular bike. Hope this helps. Heather Volesky volesky@fc.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Edward Gomez Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:24:08 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Info on Kukkiwon Certificates? - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone, Got a quick question. Does anybody know how I can find out if the Kukkiwon processed my dan certification? It's been already several months and still no certificates. Thanks in advance! Eddie - - ----- Edward Gomez, MCSE, CNE Sr. Network Engineer Auction Finance Group, Inc. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.0 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBN2apWuxjus2NTGr2EQI36ACg4VhxY1b6B5hKP1a8KBFybwPxRn4AoPTR iAN1T0wiFmNsTOIPDFyR3b7P =n0rS - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ From: Greg Giddins Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:43:22 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Attendance >Well, the students must know up front that if their attendance isn't good that they will not be able to test. It's quite a motivator to see other people you started with, or who started after you, catch up or pass you in ranking. < Hey Mo, (sorry, couldn't resist) A former GM of mine had an excellent system to handle this. All gup students got a thin black stripe on the end of their belt for every 8 class hours they attended. After 4 stripes, (and after sucessfully demonstrating the combinations and forms required to advance to the next rank), they were given one wide black stripe to indicate they were ready to test for the next rank at the next scheduled gup test. And when they lined up in class it was by belt rank, then by rank stripes. So if a red belt got his red belt 6 years ago, but has only attended 4 classes since, he would be passed up by a new red belt who has attended 9 classes since promotion. It was a cut and dry system, allowing for NO subjectivity, and worked extremely well. There were never any questions about seniority, and attendence/retention was the best I've seen in any school I've ever been in. (but I think that had to do more with having an incerdible GM, more than the stripe thing...) There was a bulletin board in the main training room with a list of students who needed a new stripe put on their belt, updated every week. It was amazing to see how eagerly people would check that board when they knew they were due/almost due for a new stripe. And very fun to watch the students line up after class to ask the GM for their new stripe. Of course, it was the most effective for the kids, but we're all really kids at heart aren't we? I came in to that school as a hard core TSD traditionalist, belts come only in 4 colors, and putting tape on a belt is ridiculous, but it's amazing how quickly a good system, a great GM and happy students can destroy those preconceptions. Greg Giddins ggiddins@corp.webb.net Avoid wrestling with pigs; you both get dirty and the pig likes it. ------------------------------ From: Ray Wagner Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:51:28 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: knights that say knee Scott wrote: (excellent title, btw :) > I'd consult an ortho guy first. After my knee arthroscopy, my surgeon > specifically prohibited leg extensions or any other leg activity that > relies on the joint itself to stop an extension, i.e. air kicks. I haven't > taken a real close look at Tae Bo, but it seems to me it contains a lot of > techniques that would meet that description. In the intro tape for Taebo (I got these for Christmas and have the original 4 tapes) Billy B specifically says that you should NEVER reach full extension on the kicks. He claims (and rightly so) that you can damage things that way and you also get to work the opposing muscle by stopping the kick before it gets fully extended. We may be working from different dictionaries here, but I never do kicks that rely on the joint itself to stop the extension. I always have control of the leg...well, unless I have a quick opponent who grabs it, then he has control. But of course, that never happens. ;) > but IMHO it > would be foolish to assume that this type of activity is prudent without > confirming medical advice. Always a good idea. Ray (the other one) Wagner ------------------------------ From: 4karate@bellsouth.net Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:47:31 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #312 OK....I mis-spelled 'charlatans' in that last post. And forgive the spacing...my modem has contracted Parkinson's and hasn't been doing well lately. It took me 5 tries to remain connected just to send the post. I had to save what I had originally written and copy/paste each time because when the modem has a seizure, I have to do a complete shut down to get it back up. I'm about ready to do some Tae Kyon on the whole system. Ha! John Hancock ------------------------------ From: Don.Hahn@phs.com Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:01:39 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #312 >>From: 4karate@bellsouth.net Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:03:17 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Sul Sa >>About a dozen years ago, there were two rather snotty fellas' in Denver - "The Lee Brothers" - who were billing thmeselves as "Korean Ninjas," and called therir art "Sul Sa Do." They even made the cover of a national martial arts rag, or two. Funny thing is that, in Korean, Sul Sa means diarrhea. I guess it was just a way of demonstrating how dumb we Americans can be about things Asian. SESilz Mr. Silz, I'm not defending these gentlemen by any means (I don't know either of them), but in all fareness, Sul Sa tactics was a subdivision of the Hwarang military training...and an intelligence gathering branch of the Silla military was referred to as Sul Sa. It my understanding that the word 'SA' in this instance is a suffix term usually attached to the name of a monk (which as the Hwarang were a neo-religious order....its usage makes some sense). The work 'Sul' as used in this instance is referring to "Killing" "Death" or "Deadly". << Until I see the Chinese characters, I couldn't tell you. Sa can be a suffix for a monk. Sul, I have not seen that in reference to death. ------------------------------ From: d g Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:31:02 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #312 the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com wrote: > Also .... why do they have such uncomfortable seats ?? They are hard and > narrow and hurt ! Do they make softer, wider ones for bikes? I would bike > but hate the seats. Actually Illona they do. Welcome to the list by the way. Just ask the bike shop to put one on. I did. Donna ------------------------------ From: "Laura Kamienski" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:30:56 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: re: biking stamina and seats From: MissIllona@aol.com have this steep hill as a driveway. What would you suggest to do to build stamina for going up that? >> Go up it...go down it and go up it again! :^) Really, the best way to build stamina on a bike is to ride it. A lot! Also .... why do they have such uncomfortable seats ?? They are hard and narrow and hurt ! Do they make softer, wider ones for bikes? I would bike but hate the seats. Most seats that come on bikes are designed for men but yes, they do make women's specific gel seats which I think you would like. Most good bike stores either stock them or can order them for you. I use an in between type of women's seat made by Coda (only about $16.00. I found it after trying the $50.00 and $60.00 ones!) It is not as soft as the big gel seats but it is softer and wider. I use it because it is light. It's a mountain bike seat but I bought one for my road bike as well. Good to see you again too! Hope this helps, Laura lkamiens@ptd.net http://home.switchboard.com/LKamienski ____________________________________________________ "The destination is not the purpose of a journey; death is not the purpose of life." -Thich Nhat Hanh ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Eric Mueller Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:13:41 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Hogu Size Recently, While watching a TKD Training Tape (Dr. Jin Bang Yang's) My son noticed the Extra Large Double Thick Training Hogu's worn by Dr. Yang's Students. My son commented that he didn't think the Training Hogu was a good Idea, because: 1. It would restrict the movement of the kicker. Consequently during competition the kicks might be aimed and/or timed incorrectly due to the differences in the training vs the competition Hogu 2. The extra padding would give a false sense of security and comfort to the recipient of the kick which would under prepare him for the feel of real competition. (granted the Training Hogu are used for Hogu drills). In short, my son felt the benefits of "Training Like you compete" outweigh the safety & comfort benefits of the extra padding & extra coverage for training. What think You ?? Eric Mueller ------------------------------ From: Eric Mueller Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:04:14 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Welcome - This list / Not this list > Welcome Donna (and any other New members and/or 'lurkers'). I have found on this list an eclectic group of Martial Artists with a wide variety of Ideas, Opinions, Anecdotes, Questions and Advice. What I have NOT found on this list has been: Viscous attacks; Self Serving Egoism, Hypocrisy, Cliques, nor an 'Ol' Buddy' network. Eric Mueller > > > From: d g > Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:27:30 -0700 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #311 > > > From: tokay@netwurx.net > > Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:14:25 -0500 > > Subject: the_dojang: Welcome, Donna > > > > Hey, Donna, welcome to the list. Nice to see you here. > > > > Hello Sandy. I will see if it is nice to be here. :) After what happened I am not > sure if I belong here either. Donna > ------------------------------ From: Tim Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:17:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: the_dojang: Training in Korea Hello everyone. Long time lurker, first time poster here. I was just wondering if any of you have had the opportunity to train in Taekwondo in Korea? If so what was it like? How did it differ from training you received prior? I ask because in a few short months I will be spending a semester in Seoul and hope to find somewhere to train. At the black belt level, what can I expect? Any info or insight would be appreciated. Keep the great discussions coming. Komapsumnida, TBS tbstadle@piper.hamline.edu tbstadle@piper.hamline.edu ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 18:50:08 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #312 In a message dated 6/15/99 12:04:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << in all aspects of Asian and Oriental culture and history....so we can verify or ferrett out "SUL SA" shames of today. John Hancock >> Thank you, Mr. Hancock, for your very scholarly post. You seem to be a living encyclopedia of martial arts legend and lore. Regarding the Lee Bros., When I met them in 1986, in Denver, at an organizational meeting of the Colorado State TKD Association (A USTU Group) these fella's were in their 20's and claiming exaggerated rank. The also demanded to sit ahaed of their seniors who happened to be non-Korean. I, and one of my peers, had the pleasure of putting them in their proper place at the table (With the encouragement of now USTU President Sang Lee). I guess we were just lucky that they did not land one of their secret killing techniques, or I would not be able to laugh about it today! It is a fact too, that SUL SA does (also) mean that most unfortuante intestinal condition commonly called "the runs." I like to think that the Lee Bros suffered from this malady when they were "encouraged" to sit nicely and be quiet. SESilz ------------------------------ From: "David Jewell" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:16:41 GMT Subject: RE:the_dojang: Absent from class Aimee..et al, >Subject: the_dojang: Absent from class > >Is there anything I could say or >do so my >GM wouldn't make me the class spectacle. I'm sure I'm being >silly, but I'm >already fumbling in class and I fear this will make me even more >nervous..... Honesty is the best policy and often, the best defence is offence. Get to see your GM BEFORE class and explain why you have been away and that you are now keen to get back to work. Request his permission to rejoin the class and be as polite as possible. Even mention that you were reticent in returning because of the ridicule heaped upon other students in a similar situation. It's probably just a cultural thing and he is not aware of the effect this has on his students. cheers DJ... (Melbourne, Oz) __________________________________________________________________ Jump! on '99 with FREE calendars and e-mail at http://www.jump.com ------------------------------ From: Kas001@aol.com Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:56:43 EDT Subject: the_dojang: California Schools We have an adult student who will be in the Mountain View / Palo Alto area for approximately seven weeks. He would like to find a dojang that he can work out at during his stay. His base style is TKD, but he would also welcome suggestions for Hapkito or small circle Ju Jitsu schools to supplement his existing skills. Please contact me with any and all suggestions. If you live in the area, an address and phone number would be extremely helpful. Thanks in advance, - ---Kim KAS001@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Stan Lim Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:01:11 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Biking Questions Illona asked: > >Also .... why do they have such uncomfortable seats ?? They are hard and >narrow and hurt ! Do they make softer, wider ones for bikes? I would bike >but hate the seats. Sure, there are lots of other seats you can use that are more comfortable. Check out these new ones from Specialized: http://www.specialized.com/products/accessories/saddles.ehtml Stan Lim slim@employees.org ------------------------------ From: Jamaica Power Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 06:04:14 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Scholarship Closed for 1999 FY I - The scholarship program I offered for the fiscal year 1999/2000 is now closed. All open positions have been filled. Thanks to all my martial arts friends that submitted names of needy children and families. I hope to expand this program next year so please keep in touch. Jamaica _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Wilson, Aimee" Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 10:36:16 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Back to Class Thanks for all the responses to my post. I hope I didn't give an awful impression of my GM. He is a wonderful instructor and I thoroughly enjoy his classes, he is a little rough around the edges, but he means well. I think he wants all of his students to excel in TKD and that won't happen unless to take your training seriously. I'm going back to class tonight, so wish me luck!!! Aimee Wilson 8th Gup WTF Fort Worth, TX ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:54:08 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #312 > > From: Mo Smith > Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 06:54:45 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: the_dojang: Absent from class > > While attendance is very important to learning TKD or for that matter > anything else, my opinion is that you do have to make allowances for > other people's schedules. > > Should the instructor want the student to be at most, if not all, of > the classes? Absolutely. Should he/she expect it? That wouldn't be very > realistic. > ...snip... > Now that I realize that I have gotten way off track from the original > question here's my take on your situation. When you get back to class, > remember that you are there for yourself. Not for your instructor. Now, > of course, your instructor deserves your respect and courtesy ( I hope ) > and an apology for missing class with an explanation would be good, but > if he/she takes your missing class personally then there really isn't > much you can do about it. Any instructor who is worth there salt can > tell when someone misses class for valid reasons and handle it > accordingly. Absolutely. I tell all my students that I would like them in class no less than twice a week and that I want them to come as many times as they can. I also tell them Family first, School/Work second, Taekwondo third. I want to be a part of their lives, but I don't want to be their life. Occasionally, a student will miss a testing. Big deal. They'll get it next time. Now, if a student is dogging it and claiming work/school interference when there isn't any, who is it hurting? Only them. And if they want to pay me a monthly fee to skip classes, who am I to argue? ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:11:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Info on Kukkiwon Certificates? > Got a quick question. Does anybody know how I can find > out if the Kukkiwon processed my dan certification? It's been > already several months and still no certificates. If you already have a Dan #, just call your NGB and ask (the USTU if you're in the USA). Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 17:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: back... Goodbye Illinois, Hello California... Ray Terry ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #313 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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