From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #331 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 30 June 1999 Vol 06 : Num 331 In this issue: the_dojang: a martial artist the_dojang: Martial Arts Link-Site the_dojang: survey the_dojang: One year wonders the_dojang: Re: ATA Worlds / Test the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #330 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #330 the_dojang: Re: One Year Wonders the_dojang: Time in service the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: a martial artist > It may be, then, that until one is actually fighting (or perhaps developing > "creative poomse") one is not actually doing "martial art," but merely > preparation; equivalent of coloring in a coloring book. > > I wished to share these thoughts with your readers, Ray, and welcome the > thoughts of others. My thoughts... When does one become a martial artist? When they are able to use what they've been practicing to defend themselves. Whether in a sparring situation or in a street situation. We can practice all we want. For many practice is enough. The workout is enough. Getting out of the house is enough. Being with your fellow students and friends is enough. But IMHO when one can use, in a reactive sense, the style they've been learning in a 'martial' situation they are effectively (hopefully) expressing the art in their own way. At that point they have become a martial artist. Again, IMHO... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: "Adam Gibson" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 01:10:46 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Martial Arts Link-Site I have recently updated my Martial Arts Link-Site. Thank-you to those of you who gave me your web-site addresses to help make it more interesting. If anyone would still like me to add their web-site to my free links page please goto: http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Stands/7291/martialartslinksite.htm and follow the easy instructions there. If you don't have your own site and want to check some new cool sites feel free. Adam Gibson (Tae Kwon Do Instructor) http://members.tripod.com/martialvideo ------------------------------ From: "Laura Kamienski" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 01:29:38 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: survey 1) How old were you when you started your MA? 32 2) How long did it take you to reach BB? ( or how long will it take on your current schedule ? ) about 4 years 3) Do you feel that you took too long? Or maybe not long enough? This is an average time in my system. I've always trusted my instructor about when a rank is deserved or not so I have no opinion on this. 4) How much did the rest of life impact your progress? I think that the fact that my life enabled me to devote a lot of time to training did help with my progress. But, I think my progress had a bigger impact on the rest of my life! :^) Laura lkamiens@ptd.net http://home.switchboard.com/LKamienski ____________________________________________________ "The destination is not the purpose of a journey; death is not the purpose of life." -Thich Nhat Hanh ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Anthony or Clare Boyd" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:17:21 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: One year wonders One of my major reservations when I started studying martial arts here = in Korea was the short period of time that I was being quoted at each = dojang I investigated. I had no benchmark for my primary art of Hai Dong Gumdo but I "knew" = that a goal of 10 months for a black belt in Hapkido was way too short. = I changed my thinking when I had been in class for a month. My HDG = instructor always claimed that I would test for cho dan in 1 year. It = turned out to be a little longer but that's another story. (injury and = politics) Anyway, in both Hapkido and Hai Dong Gumdo I was expected to train six = days a week. I was expected to stay for an hour or more after my 1 hour = lesson as time and space permitted. In my Hapkidojang I could go seven = days a week if I wanted to but he laughed when I told him couldn't do = that because I'm married. The lesson in the HKD dojang usually exceeded = 2 hours and was followed by sparring or whatever. Combat soccer was very = popular at the night classes. No joke. Most of us chose to focus on = Korean Kick Boxing (Kyock-Tu-Gi) though as it was imminently practical. I have had direct experience with three HKD dojangs under various = associations and all of them believed a candidate could achieve the = level of "serious student" within 10 months to 1 year. Serious students = hold black belts. Those below that levels are still investigating the = art. At fourth dan then you have to make a real choice. For those that = follow multiple systems it is sometimes "suggested" that you pick one.=20 It is really common for very young children to advance to BB or = equivalent level and then stop altogether when they hit their = educational hell years. (middle school) Males will all join the ROK = army or another public order service if they are unfit for the army and = will be forced to study TKD in a brutal concentration camp style. I have = only met 1 Korean man who was allowed a pass from this study. Their = training is a nightmare and it produces fighters who have no idea what = unarmed combat entails. Some seek the answers when they get out of the = army. A significant portion of others choose to never think about it = again. In some respects it is taught in the school PE curriculum but it is the = same as learning a sport. You do it for a week or a month and then move = on to other useful things like European handball or lacrosse. Anyway... this is a little long. ------------------------------ From: Eric Mueller Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 08:08:42 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: ATA Worlds / Test > From: Brett Erwin > Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:54:34 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: ATA Worlds... > > ..... His board breaks cosisted of > three stations. The first was a jump round kick with contiuous > side kick with the same same leg before landing. Could you please elaborate on this kick? I can't Picture it in my head. Thanks Eric Mueller ------------------------------ From: d g Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 05:14:27 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #330 t > > From: Ray Terry > Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:47:15 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #329 > > > Aaron and Ray. Have you ever seen a chiropractor for this problem? A few yrs back I > > too had a mild version and a chiropractor fixed it. I hadn't had a problems since > > as far as scoliosis. Donna > > Yes, I've seen several Chiropractors, for various problems. But I don't > think they, or any doctor, can do much for scoliosis save wearing a back > brace when you're young. ??? > Hmmm. odd. All I had to do is see the chiropractor three times during the week and then monthly checkups after that to be sure it was still straight. When he was sure whenever I felt I needed it. I seen the x-rays so I know it was scoliosis. It was not a bad case, just mild. Of course I was in my late twenties then. I should call the one who fixed me up and talk to him about it. He moved away to Sheboygan, Wi. Donna - ---- just don't ANNOY the crazy person ------------------------------ From: dbuehrer@denver.carl.org Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:18:16 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #330 Kerry wrote: \ OK, here's some more Jamaica-like questions: \ \ 1) How old were you when you started your MA? 32 \ 2) How long did it take you to reach BB? ( or how long will it take on your \ current schedule ? ) A little over two more years before I reach BB (total time to BB in my Dojang is three years, if you don't miss any classes (two classes a week, 1 1/2 hours per class). \ 3) Do you feel that you took too long? Or maybe not long enough? I feel that 3 years is fine. FWIW, I also feel (as does my instructor) that 1st Dan is like a high school diploma. You (hopefully) have learned the basics and can begin learning seriously. It all depends on whether or not your teacher does a good job of teaching you the basics within that time, IMHO :) \ 4) How much did the rest of life impact your progress? A bit. I had to take 4 months off to take a night class related to my career, plus I've missed the odd class do to personal commitments. - -David Buehrer - -- Supervisor, Database Preparation The UnCover Company mailto:dbuehrer@denver.carl.org - -- - -- "Footprints on the sands of time are not made by sitting down." ------------------------------ From: MRowe@ids.sitel.net Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:27:11 GMT Subject: the_dojang: Re: One Year Wonders Me: <> Anders: <> You start from scratch when you enter a dojang? Why. The student has been studying Taekwondo for ? many years and you expect them to start as a white belt just because they are no longer in a school but have decided to enter you dojang (mind you the forms are still the same). That is BULL! Mike Rowe ------------------------------ From: Ray Simmons Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:48:48 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Time in service Kerry wrote: 1) How old were you when you started your MA? I first started Hapkido (traditional) in 1974. I was 26 years old then. I attended 5 or 6 classed a week. I second took a 20+ year "vacation". I third started TKD in 1997 at age 48. 2) How long did it take you to reach BB? ( or how long will it take on your current schedule ? ) The hapkido black belt took me 2 years to earn. The TKD black belt will probably take me 5+ years to earn as I can only attend 2 days a week and my old body has lost most of its flexebility. That's OK. I'm in no hurry. 3) Do you feel that you took too long? Or maybe not long enough? In both cases, the timing weems about right. 4) How much did the rest of life impact your progress? I'm healthier now than I have ever been. My personal life and age is why I can only train 2 days a week. I now have a family that I did not have 20 years ago. No regrets! - -Ray 1st dan Hapkido Blue with 1 stripe TKD - -- Ray Simmons EMC Corporation res@mil.emc.com 5 technology Dr. (508)435-1000 x55669 Milford, Ma. 01757 - -------- Opinions are mine alone --------- ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #331 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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