From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #338 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 3 July 1999 Vol 06 : Num 338 In this issue: the_dojang: Seeking Karate Practitioners In Davis the_dojang: Junior Olympics the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #337 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #337 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #337 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #337 the_dojang: Re: Starting at Whatever Level the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #337 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #336 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #336 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #336 the_dojang: Junior Nationals the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Timothy Bruening Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 17:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Seeking Karate Practitioners In Davis I am an Orange Belt Taekwondo Karate student at Rodness' Karate Center in Davis, California. I would like to get in touch with other Karate students and/or instructors in Davis. If you take or teach Karate in Davis, please respond. ------------------------------ From: Gregg London Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 23:57:18 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Junior Olympics Good Morning, For those attending Junior Olympics in Las Vegas, please check out the Inspection Requirements at: http://hometown.aol.com/cbaughn/page/inspection2.htm These rules are not new, but are being enforced for the first time. Failure to follow the rules will result in disqualification. There will be flyers and posters in Las Vegas, but for those that need new equipment (see the requirements), now would be the time to purchase, as opposed to "event" prices. Best for now, Gregg London P.S. Happy Fourth of July! - -- Gregg London Consulting Internet/Notes Development http://www.glondon.com Corporate/Trade Show Magic 703-242-7548 Tournament Automation Services ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 00:41:10 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #337 In a message dated 7/2/99 3:18:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << If I feel well balance about my abilities and a person puts me at a lower belt and expects me to pay fees for those belts they had better darn well teach me something new and/or improve my skill tremendously. >> Mike .... I agree totally with you on that one. Have tried to train at this one school in Kenjutsu and ground grappling .... and he only taught us how to swing a shinai at others wildly ... with no basics .... and the ground grappling .... I know more than he does .... so I walked. Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 00:43:23 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #337 In a message dated 7/2/99 3:18:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << The comment I started with I felt was that a person on this list felt that > if you came from a satilite program (high school, ymca, whatever) then if > you came into a dojang you start over. I disagree with this. >> By satilite ... you mean a branch off the dojang that they now want to train at? If so, that is not right. The training should be the same ... as the belt levels should be the same. And you should be able to fit right into the program at the school. No questions asked !! Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 00:50:44 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #337 In a message dated 7/2/99 3:18:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Do more women or men come with MA "Buddies"? Most of the students at my dojang with buddies are wife/husband or mother/daughter. \ Do older students come with "Buddies" more often than younger students? We have alot of younger students who have brothers and sisters in here. I have families of 5, 4, 3, 2 come in and join here alot. The family of 5 that is here has 4 other brothers and sisters at home .... waiting to come here when they are old enough. \ What time of year do most of your new students join your MA and when do \ they most often return if they've been gone for any length of time? >> Anytime after January ... it is a good time for us. Summers are slow ... but steady. And people quit in December because of Christmas, vacations and such. Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 01:00:25 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #337 In a message dated 7/2/99 3:18:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << It is refreshing to see those individuals who are making their art more meaningful by waiting and refining technique and not getting all wrapped up in quick advancing. >> Yes, I love those types of students. I have one right now that is driving me up the wall !! He has some training here and there in various arts when he was in the Army stationed here and there. So of course he really believes he is great. Then I found out that he has only been tested once in his whole life in one style (Kenpo) ... and made it to Yellow Belt. But that is not what is bugging me. He follows me around all the time asking to test!! He was in my school not 2 days when he announced he wanted to test with the other White Belts that were testing in a couple of weeks !! And for 2 months he pestered me !! Well, he finally got to test in June ... and now it is barely July ... and here he is following me around pestering me to test again. Had to have a chat with him tonite. I told him that the more someone pestered me about testing ... the further off I put their tests. I told him to do what you said ... "enjoy the journey" .... and become the best Yellow Belt in the school and quit trying to learn all the Orange and Green and Blue and Red things .... when he should be perfecting all the Yellow techniques he has. (he thinks he is perfect and it is time to move on). This man is teaching me patience .... that is why he was put in my path ..... I know it. He is a character .... but he is my character .... LOL ! Time will tell if he sticks it out here or tries somewhere else because he does not believe he moving fast enough. Ho hum. Illona ------------------------------ From: CBAUGHN@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 01:28:04 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Starting at Whatever Level In a message dated 99-07-02 18:19:06 EDT, you write: << In contrast, I find often someone crosses my threshold with a Kukkiwon dan paper in their hand, they often ask to start "all over again as it has been 3 years since they last trained regularly." In these cases I, of course tell them they may tie the belt they rightfully earned. Is that such a "Bull" manner of running a dojang? SESilz >> Bravo, Master Silz! You've done a masterful job of describing many of the people who roam from art to art. You've also noted an occurrence which I've seen more than once - the black belt who's learned that it's the journey and not the destination that is important will almost always offer to begin again at the white belt level. Sally Baughn CBAUGHN@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Sunny Graff <105605.2047@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 06:16:43 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #337 Nachricht geschrieben von INTERNET:the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com >where = can I find friendly dojangs to visit in Germany, France & Spain. Dawne< I have a Taekwondo School for women and girls in Frankfurt and you are mo= re than welcome to train with us. Call in Germany 069-4950710 (School) or me= at 069-59794590. Sunny ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 04:02:39 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #336 In a message dated 7/2/99 8:43:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Happy 4th of July to those of you/us in the States. I suspect many will be off the long weekend (at least I get a long weekend), so have a safe one. >> Nope, no long weekend. Have to work the school a full 6 days this week and one day off (Sunday) and then back to work on Monday !! I took a few days off in June to compensate for no day offs in July.... no prob !! Have a Happy 4th of July to you too !!! Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 03:48:24 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #336 In a message dated 7/2/99 8:43:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << > > If you are the head instructor of a school, how did you get to that position?> I've been in the martial arts for 29 years (not all with my last instructor). I managed my last instructor's school for a number of years before we came to the understanding that we didn't agree on a few things being done at his school. So I left as he wasn't about to change those few things. I went on to teach at a few of my other friend's schools till they kept telling me I should open my own school (as I had always wanted to do). So I quit my 40 hour a week job .... and moved to the desert ( about an hour and a half from my last instructor's school ... it was always understood that we would never open up schools close to him if we ever did open one). And I opened up my school without his blessing or help. And have been content with the move and my school for 5 years now. I continue my training in other schools to keep up my skills and love of the arts .... I love learning new things and it keeps things flowing around our school too. And I do this full time now. Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 03:56:39 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #336 In a message dated 7/2/99 8:43:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I have a modest sized school. My first was 1600 sqft in a not great building. Unattactive and hard to access but my area was very clean and under my control. I moved to a new location in a strip mall with similar sized space (1500 sqft) which I build the insides myself at great cost. I have lost money for many years. May break even this year from the addition of cardio-kickboxing classes during non-Taekwondo hours. Lessons learned - location, location, location. Charge enough to cover costs (still learning that one). >> I started out in a 1240 sq. ft. location for 3 1/2 years ... and then moved into the suite next door that was 2240 sq. ft. and have been in there for over a year and a half now .... and am looking to ask the landlord to go back and lease the other suite and take the wall down between the suites now and have 3480 sq. ft. to work out in. My first move is to find a contractor (maybe one of the parent's here?) to do the job at a reasonable rate (landlord wants it done professionally because the city is a stickler on that) .... so that will depend on how much that will cost as to how soon I will be able to lease that side too. And that is about as big as I want to go. We are getting kinda cramped in here (Thursday was murder !! Our kid's form's class was big) ..... But if you live in your school and have no other outside expenses .... it can be done. My family is all grown up and in the Navy .... so I don't have to worry about them. Just me and my dog, Lady ! Illona ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 07:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Junior Nationals Reminder, for information see http://www.ustu.com Ray - ------------------------------------------------------------------ 18th US Junior Olympic Taekwondo Championships Las Vegas, Nevada July 12-17,1999 EVENT INFORMATION Eligibility: All competitors must be currently registered with the United States Taekwondo Union as a competitor member for 1999. Each competitor must be registered under the state in which he/ she qualified. All Black Belt Gyoroogi (sparring) competitors, age 14-17 years old must be U.S. citizens; proof of citizenship is required with registration. A copy of birth certificate, passport, or any proof of citizenship is an acceptable document. A social security card, driver's license, or military I.D. is not an acceptable form of proof of citizenship. The State President must submit a list of first, second and third place winners (Poomse and Gyoroogi) giving name, address, rank and weight to the U.S. Taekwondo Union no Later than Wednesday, June 1, 1999. Prerequisites for the 1999 U.S. Junior Olympic Taekwondo Championships: Athlete must have placed first, second or third in the respective Gyoroogi weight division, first, second or third in the Poomse division, in the 1999 U.S. Taekwondo Union sanctioned State Championship under which they are a USTU competitor member. Athlete must have placed first, second or third in the respective Gyoroogi weight division; first, second or third in the Poomse division at the 1998 AAU Nationals. Age Eligibility: The following guidelines will be used for all divisions except the 14-17 year old Black Belt Category: If the competitor will turn 6 years old on or before July 5, 1999 then they will be eligible to compete. If the competitor will turn 8 years old on or before July 5, 1999 then they will compete in the 8-9 year old division. If the competitor will turn 10 years old on or before July 5, 1999 then they will compete in the 10-11 year old division. If the competitor will turn 12 years old on or before July 5, 1999 then they will compete in the 12-13 year old division. If the competitor will turn 14 years old on or before July 5, 1999 then they will compete in the 14-15 year old division. If the competitor will turn 16 years old on or before July 5,1999 then they will compete in the 16-17 year old division. The following guidelines will be used for the 14-17 year old Black Belt Division: If the competitor turned 14 years old on or before July 5, 1999 they are eligible compete. If the competitor was 17 years old on or before July 5, 1999 they are eligible to compete. If the competitor was 18 years old on or before July 5, 1999 they are NOT ELIGIBLE TO COMPETE. Competition Rules and Regulations: The current U.S. Taekwondo Union Rules and Regulations and modified rules of the World Taekwondo Federation (WTF) will govern these Championships for the Gyoroogi and Traditional Poomse divisions. WTF/ USTU Official Poomse (Forms): The Poomse (Forms) of the 18th U.S. Junior Olympic Championships will consist of WTF/ USTU Official Poomse competition. The Poomse divisions will be divided by belt ranking, weight and sex. The Official Poomse for the competition will be those recognized by the U.S. Taekwondo Union and World Taekwondo Federation. Mandatory Equipment: All Gyoroogi competitors must bring their own safety gear including chest protector, headgear, shin/ instep guard, forearm guard, protective cup and mouth guard. Headgear and chest protectors will not be provided. A standard WTF approved uniform in good condition, white V-neck with black trim only around the collar. Only state name will be allowed on back. Shin and instep protector, white only, elastic sponge-cushion type Schedule of Events Monday, July 12, 1999: 11:00am to 8:00pm: Registration and weigh-in for all Jr. Olympic Events - Las Vegas Convention Center Tuesday, July 13, 1999: 10am to 8:00pm: Registration and weigh-in for all Jr. Olympic Events - Las Vegas Convention Center *All 8-9 year olds and 14-15 year old Color Belts must Register on Tuesday, July 13th 5:00pm to 7:00pm Coaches Orientation/Seminar TBA Wednesday, July 14, 1999: 8-9 Year Old All Belts and 14-15 Year Old Color Belts Only 9:00am Poomse Competition - Las Vegas Convention Center 8-9 year old All Belts 14-15 year old Color Belts Only Gyoroogi Competition Immediately following Poomse - Las Vegas Convention Center 8-9 year olds All Belts 14-15 year olds Color Belts Only Thursday, July 15, 1999: 10-11 Year Old All Belts and 16-17 Year Old Color Belts Only 10:00am to 8:00pm Registration and weigh-in for 6 and 7 year olds - Las Vegas Convention Center 12 and 13 year olds and 14 - 17 year old Black Belt Competitors ONLY 9:00am Poomse Competition - Las Vegas Convention Center 10-11 year old All Belts 16-17 year old Color Belts Gyoroogi Competition Immediately Following Poomse - Las Vegas Convention Center 10-11 year old All Belts 16-17 year old Color Belts 5:00pm to 7:00pm Coaches Orientation/Seminar TBA 7:00 pm Opening Ceremonies - Las Vegas Convention Center All Participants Must Assemble at 6:30 pm Friday, July 16, 1999: 9:00am Poomse Competition - Las Vegas Convention Center 6-7 year old All Belts 12-13 year old All Belts Gyoroogi Competition Immediately Following Poomse - Las Vegas Convention Center 6-7 year old All Belts 12-13 year old All Belts Saturday, July 17, 1999: 9:00am Poomse Competition; 14-17 year old Black Belts Only - Las Vegas Convention Center Gyoroogi Competition Immediately Following Poomse - Las Vegas Convention Center 14-17 year old Black Belts Only Closing Ceremonies Immediately Following End of Gyoroogi Competition ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 07:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #338 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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