From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #351 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 14 July 1999 Vol 06 : Num 351 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Sparring Stuff the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #350 the_dojang: RE: Why, you silly beef, you! the_dojang: Re: Ki Bohn Soo the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #350 the_dojang: Too Hot? the_dojang: Kong Sang Koon the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Michael Sarles" Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 07:56:59 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Sparring Stuff The school I'm in right now spends most of their time working on the "realistic" stuff. Even includes grappling on some nights during full contact sessions. Did work out at a school where there were plenty of people that like the fancy stuff and did it well. But there was this one guy...an example. We did only non-contact back then. It was the students duty to make sure they didn't make contact with their partner. But as you moved up through belts, contact to the body was unspokenly accepted - but no contact to the head. Also, if someone got something on you, you are supposed to tap the spot to recognize you were tagged. So I'm sparring this black belt guy - I'm a red belt. I throw a roundhouse to the head (ball of the foot) about 6" away. He doesn't acknowledge the hit. So I think, "Hmm...must not have been close enough". So the next time I throw a roundhouse to the head, he still doesn't acknowledge...so the next time I get a little closer and throw one that snaps his head to the side and his lip starts swelling up. "Nice shot" is all he says. Talked to him later after apologizing profusely and he said that that stuff doesn't bother him. He doesn't like to ack tippy-tap stuff. I sparred him a lot through the years. He was older, had very few techniques...but heaven help you when he got you on the receiving end of those techniques. But he was a good realistic spar on figuring out if your tech's were just flashy or going to do some damage to your opponent. Now that I re-read this...I can't tell if I've made a point or relayed anything of any interest :-) Michael Sarles msarles@ior.com > Just curious, > How many people use their sparring time in class to practice their > "fundamentals" as opposed to the "fancy stuff"? > > In my class, there is one fellow who always fights > "realistically", i.e. he > comes on in and wallops me like I was hitting on his 13 year old daughter > during her cheerleading practice, then brings me down and ties my > left foot > to my right hand and stuffs me in his duffel bag. Not very pretty, but he > gets the job done. > > Then there is one who likes to spin, sweep, leap, roll, pose, dive, poke > pressure points, tickle my foot after catching it, tug on my pony tail...I > think you get the picture...."fancy stuff". > Not really "street effective", but he has a good time. ------------------------------ From: LJSFLEM@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:13:00 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #350 In a message dated 7/14/99 2:44:21 PM !!!First Boot!!!, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:08:19 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Hello out there???? > Sure has been slow around here. Whatz the matter? Too hot for everyone? > > Ray > Maybe everybody's gone to Lost Wages for the Juniors. OK, how many of you have friends/classmates/relatives at the Junior Nationals? I believe we sent about 17 from Kim's Academy here in Wichita. >> Hi there. I'm from Garfield, New Jersey. From our school we have 2 students at the Junior Nationals out there in Lost Wages. School name is International Academy of Tae Kwon Do, Garfield, NJ. Lorraine ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:12:53 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Why, you silly beef, you! > From: 4karate@bellsouth.net > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 18:52:04 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Couldn't Resist > > OK...after reading that last digest issue...and it being so small....I > just > have to say it.... > > "HEY! WHERE'S THE BEEF?!" > > Ok....I'm done being silly. > > John Hancock > > You're done being silly???????? Oh please, say it ain't so!!! You not being silly would be like me wearing a tie to work!! You remind people that looking at the lighter side is necessary for survival, and I remind people that uh, well... gee...Yeah! I remind people that ties are silly!! That's the ticket! BTW, I think I posted that we sent about 17 kids from Kim's to the Junior Nationals. Oops. We sent close to 30. Kerry (The TKD T-shirt Guy) ------------------------------ From: Brian Karas Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:35:00 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Ki Bohn Soo >Aye, there's the rub! As others have already pointed out, "ki bohn" means >"fundamental" or "foundation" and "soo" means "technique." I practice Kuk >Sool Won and to us, "Ki Bohn Soo" is the fundamental set (15 techniques) of t>hrowing skills, learned at white belt level. If sounds familiar (there is >much overlap between some HapKiDo curricula and Kuk Sool Won), you may wish >to invest in either the first (or second?) Kuk Sool Won instructional video >tape, or the first Kuk Sool Won textbook. Visit the World Kuk Sool >Association website for ordering info (http://www.wksa.org). > I thought Soo was the word for "hand." I thought Kibon Soo would mean Fundamental Hand, or Basic Hand? Am I wrong? Brian ------------------------------ From: Ernest Hart Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #350 On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com wrote: > Does the instructor mix things up/influence that? If you are an instructor, > do you push students twoards one "type" of sparring? Definitely... I push Olympic Taekwondo. However, if the mood strikes me, you may look in and see what looks more like basic Chinese boxing. Only I call it "Self-Defense" Sparring refers to Olympic sparring. It could be a sign that I'm getting old, but I frown upon "sparring" in the dojang between classes or before class. Too many silly injuries. However, I believe strongly that people should "practice" outside of class. Maybe I just like a more formal atmosphere in the dojang. > Of course, this leaves out the group of competitive sparring people... I > didn't mean to do that. So for you guys, do you ALWAYS "ring fight" or do > you mix it up and get down and dirty sometimes with grappling and such? Or > drop the rules and play around with butterfly kicks and fancy-schmancy > stuff? See above. If I'm working with a student, I will occasionally throw something fancy, to see if they freeze because it's unexpected. If they do, they get corrected. On the other hand, I've come down from a "720" hook into a full force padduh chagi (round kick) from a red belt. Not exactly a pleasant experience. Question: How do you deal with face contact in class? I'm talking about Olympic sparring mainly, but I would like to hear from the other stylists as well. E. Hart Burlington, VT ------------------------------ From: "Nate." Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:56:52 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Too Hot? Hello all... Just thought I'd take this moment to let everyone know that on August 6th, I will be testing for my Red Belt. My last colored belt test...wow...hard to believe that I've been in TKD long enough to be going for Red. For those of you that are curious, "long enough" = 3 1/2 years. For my test I will be responsible for Chon-ji and all of the Tae-Guek forms, plus 1 Steps 1-22. As for breaks...I imagine that I will be asked to do all the basic techniques, ie: Front, Side, Round, Step-Behind, Reverse Punch, Knifehand Strike...along with Turning Back Side and maybe Jump Front. All of these will be through one board...I will probably be asked to do a few combination breaks...and I had thought about trying Flying Side through 2 boards and Defensive Side through 2 boards. Anyways...before I ramble on too much, just wanted to let you all know that I'm getting ready to take my last colored belt test...my last test before Black. Wish me luck! Nate. Cape Girardeau, MO Lee H. Park Martial Arts Institute ------------------------------ From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:10:34 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Kong Sang Koon I'm preparing for a tournament and have a bit of a balance difficulty at one point in the Kong Sang Koon hyung. I'm going to change it a bit to help me, and I don't think it's so dramatic as to really alter the form. Just looking for opinions (and I know JH if full of them ) if yall would do the same thing. The point is where you do the high block/soo do chop/front kick one direction (as found in Pyung-ahn Sa-dan) landing in a back stance facing the opposite direction with a low kwon soo attack, pulling back with the low block/high block to the rear movement (such as found in the last moves of Pyung-ahn Oh-dan). While still in the back stance, you again perform the low Kwon soo pulling back to an upright standing stance with the left arm out and the right at the waist. You then do the same as above, except with front stances. This is where my problem is. I can at times become unstable after the open handed high block/chop/front kick combo landing in the other direction with a front stance. (well, I do practice on a thickly padded carpeted surface at a gymnastics academy... maybe that is my problem?) What I am going to do is on both sets, land in a back stance after the kick on the first low kwon soo, and lean in on the second one in a front stance. This will be repeated on the second combination. So.... instead of doing 2 back stances, then 2 front stances, I would do 1 of each on both combination sets. Make sense or totally lost???? This feels much more comfortable to me anyway, landing in the first low spear hand attack in a back stance. I think I remember hearing a high level TSD master say the same thing, but in most documented books it shows the first 2 in back stances, the next 2 in front stances. Do I just need more practice.... (I know JH, your shaking your head yes). Or does everyone else do it this way too? I may have this problem because the first time I learned this form years ago I always landed in the back stance after both the front kicks. Yours in the arts, Dennis TANG SOO! Darn, lunch time is over, got to get back to work..... (Ray, hopefully this will bring some "out of the heat"....doin' my part) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #351 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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