From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #352 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thurs, 15 July 1999 Vol 06 : Num 352 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Kong Sang Koon the_dojang: RE: Juniors Nationals & Belt tests the_dojang: GEE BRAIN! WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO TONIGHT? the_dojang: Reply to "Damn Hot, Ray!" the_dojang: In response to "Kang San Koon the_dojang: Who will attack you? the_dojang: Re: Hello out there???? the_dojang: Re: Ki Bohn Soo the_dojang: Re: last colored belt test the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #349 the_dojang: New to Group the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #351 the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dana Vaillancourt" Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 12:36:39 PDT Subject: the_dojang: RE: Kong Sang Koon On Jul 14, 1999, "Dennis McHenry" wrote: > >What I am going to do is on both sets, land in a back stance after the kick >on the first low kwon soo, and lean in on the second one in a front stance. > This >will be repeated on the second combination. So.... instead of doing 2 back >stances, then 2 front stances, I would do 1 of each on both combination >sets. > Or does everyone else do it this way too? Hi Mac. I do the form this way, 1st spear in a back stance & then a long front stance on the second spear. Repeat same on second set. [Actually, Master Saul taught it that way!] Dana _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 14:41:28 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Juniors Nationals & Belt tests > Hi there. I'm from Garfield, New Jersey. From our school we have 2 > students > at the Junior Nationals out there in Lost Wages. School name is > International > Academy of Tae Kwon Do, Garfield, NJ. > > Lorraine > Here's to your students! Hope they have fun, stay safe, and bring home medals! > Anyways...before I ramble on too much, just wanted to let you all know > that I'm getting ready to take my last colored belt test...my last test > before Black. > > Wish me luck! > > Nate. > Good luck, Nate! And as hard as it seems, it's worth it! Kerry ------------------------------ From: 4karate@bellsouth.net Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:26:35 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: GEE BRAIN! WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO TONIGHT? Do I just need more practice.... (I know JH, your shaking your head yes). Or does everyone else do it this way too? I may have this problem because the first time I learned this form years ago I always landed in the back stance after both the front kicks. Yours in the arts, Dennis TANG SOO! No...I'm not shaking my head. The beads rattle when I do that. :-P I'm trying to picture what you are doing.....and honestly......I don't think I'm seeing it right...because I don't see where you would be off balance except in the transfer of weight back to an upright position as you make the pull (that's where most bobble). I always did the Kwan Soo in the Front stance and the pull back to a Back Stance. If that helps. OH....keep in mind....this is actually a throwing technique. If you can picture that...it will make more sense when you practice it. Maybe you should get a dummy...uh....partner, and try a few of the throws. OK...here's how it works.....left hand palm block inside...that is the deflection of the opponent's punch....right hand spears in (Note....this really is a low heel palm to a point over the bladder)...left hand grabs should of opponet...right hand snakes over his leg to outside and grips (you can use your knuckles on the median nerve in the back of the calf to get his leg started moving). Then you push down and away with the left hand dragging his shoulder down while you lift and pull up his right leg. Watch what happens. Opponent fall down and go boom. Does any of this help Dennis?? OH well....opinions are like as--holes.....and everybody says I'm one of those too! :-P John Hancock ------------------------------ From: "Bradley G. Smith" Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:57:55 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Reply to "Damn Hot, Ray!" In response to [From: Greg Giddins [Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 16:08:42 -0600 [Subject: the_dojang: Damn hot, Ray! [Just curious, [How many people use their sparring time in class to practice their ["fundamentals" as opposed to the "fancy stuff"? I have been really slamming my students lately on "fundamentals", but not in sparring time per se. Repeating reverse punch and simple side-kicking a jillion times as a class. Sometimes lately it has been cutting into or eliminating sparring time. General thoughts about this have been on my mind: your post read my mind! [In my class, there is one fellow who always fights "realistically", i.e. he [comes on in and wallops me like I was hitting on his 13 year old daughter [during her cheerleading practice, then brings me down and ties my left foot [to my right hand and stuffs me in his duffel bag. Not very pretty, but he [gets the job done. [Then there is one who likes to spin, sweep, leap, roll, pose, dive, poke [pressure points, tickle my foot after catching it, tug on my pony tail...I [think you get the picture...."fancy stuff". [Not really "street effective", but he has a good time. [Is there a split like this in your school, or is your school all in one ["type" ? (oh no, not that word!) [Does the instructor mix things up/influence that? If you are an instructor, [do you push students twoards one "type" of sparring? It depends on the student's power, frame structure and mental attitude (confident, not confident). The students at my teacher's school are almost all fairly heavy and slow lately, which lends itself to more basic-style fighting. Our blackbelts are a good mix, with some being capable of highly esoteric stuff. As far as how I guide my students, taking all of the student's attributes into account, I try to make sure their power delivery while fighting is the maximum for their level and physical structure. This is not to say I discourage the "esoteric" fighting, but I certainly call them on techniques that they can't actually command and deliver effectively for whatever reason. Either they develop the particular technique delivery further, which I happily help them do, or I keep calling them on it. I'd say given a limited class time per class I'm happier making sure they fully integrate and maximize fundamentals (or re-learn said if necessary) before I teach them or advance them regarding more developed techniques. Going back to fundamentals, not necessarily to re-learn something, can be valuable just to make one re-think their technique. [Of course, this leaves out the group of competitive sparring people... I [didn't mean to do that. So for you guys, do you ALWAYS "ring fight" or do [you mix it up and get down and dirty sometimes with grappling and such? Or [drop the rules and play around with butterfly kicks and fancy-schmancy [stuff? No grappling. When I do "fancy-schmancy" stuff, which for me isn't the tremendously esoteric stuff, I'm usually applying it to head shots or counter-attacking situations. I don't do anything that's unsound (what a word!). I guess that's what I try to pass on to students about sparring. Also, I'm very tall, so the head is probably my favorite target. Best regards, Bradley Smith ------------------------------ From: "Bradley G. Smith" Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:06:18 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: In response to "Kang San Koon In response to From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:10:34 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Kong Sang Koon I know the form, but I have to admit I got a little lost in your description. I apologize ahead of time: this may not be constructive, but check with your instructor and do as he teaches. I'm an old fart, but changing forms isn't a good idea (says me). Best regards, Bradley Smith ------------------------------ From: "Aaron Harmon" Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 15:24:05 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Who will attack you? I was wondering how many people train in the knowledge that most likely their attackers will be their relatives. I read some statistics and they were alarming (I can try to find the book if anyone wants to look themselves). 50% (plus or minus) of assaults and other violent crimes, including murder and rape, are committed by a family member of the victim, and another 30-40% (+-) are committed by coworkers or acquaintances. Only 10 or 20% are committed by strangers (at least in the USA). If you want I can find the book and get the actual numbers. How many of us realize that if we have to defend ourselves, most likely it will be a brother or uncle or some such person. People always seem to be training for the stranger's attack at the bus stop, but how many train for the drunk uncle at thanksgiving, or the enraged employee after losing his job? And a lot seem to train for the "maximum damage" scenario, you know what I mean, "He throws a punch, and I block, break the arm, smash the nose, break the leg, crush the ribs, rip out the heart, eat it, break the neck, and crush the skull, sell the brains, etc..." in the thought that they will be exonerated for their actions because they were defending themselves. Legally you may have to use reasonable force, but you may have to use far less than that in many cases. It seems that a lot of people ignore the likelihood that this attacker might be their emotionally defective 15 year-old son (and what 15 year-old is not emotionally defective? I know I was), and although he might "deserve what he gets" who really wants to be the guy who put his wife's child in the hospital? And how do you explain the broken arm to the police? I have a brother that is a really nice guy, but he is plagued with an unbelievable temper. (He has been getting help). He is also the sole support for his family. If something happens that triggers one of his rages, will I be ready to control him with a minimum of injury, or do I have to break his arm, and then find a place for his wife and kids to live? I think I can, can you answer the same question the same way? (That is rhetorical, I do not need any answers to that one :) ) Does anyone ever have a "non-injury" class, where you practice techniques with a minimum of intended injury? Kicks to the thigh instead of the knee, joint locks instead of joint breaks, no blows to the head or chest, etc... Aaron Harmon One is not likely to achieve understanding from the explanation of another. -Takuan Soho ------------------------------ From: Brian Karas Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 04:23:31 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hello out there???? > Sure has been slow around here. Whatz the matter? Too hot for everyone? > > Ray > Yeah, Ray.....it's been about 100 degrees here in Santa Clara! Brian ------------------------------ From: Steven Gilmore Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:22:00 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Ki Bohn Soo >I thought Soo was the word for "hand." I thought Kibon Soo would mean >Fundamental Hand, or Basic Hand? Am I wrong? The Korean term for "hand" is "sohn." Sincerely, Steven Gilmore Houston, TX, USA ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:14:49 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: last colored belt test In a message dated 7/14/99 12:19:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Nate. >> good luck, nate :). have fun! melinda ------------------------------ From: "Ld. W. Baldwin,MD-S" Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 21:16:25 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #349 > From: Ray Terry > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:45:32 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: the_dojang: too hot? > > Sure has been slow around here. Whatz the matter? Too hot for everyone? > There is a cliché in New Orleans: It's not so much the *heat* as the *Humidity*...(Makes me and my computer sluggish, too....) ------------------------------ From: NorwichIMA@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 23:42:15 EDT Subject: the_dojang: New to Group Hi Everyone, I am a 3 gup in TSD and my husband is a 3rd dan in TSD and we have recently opened a school in CT. I have been reading your articles for a little while and have found them to be very interesting. I hope that I will have something to give to all of you as well. For now, take care. Tang Soo Cherish ------------------------------ From: Brian Lewis Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 00:37:07 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #351 > Maybe everybody's gone to Lost Wages for the Juniors. OK, how many of you > have friends/classmates/relatives at the Junior Nationals? I believe we > sent about 17 from Kim's Academy here in Wichita. >> Here in Illinois (Perry's School of Tae Kwon Do) we sent about 8. We are not a really big school so this has left some of our normal classes lacking high ranking belts. Brian Lewis brianl@midwest.net ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 08:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #352 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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