From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #356 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 18 July 1999 Vol 06 : Num 356 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #355 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #355 the_dojang: Kong Sang Koon the_dojang: Records for Breaking! the_dojang: Re: Who will attack you the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. 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Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: d g Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 08:34:39 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #355 From: Cris Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 16:33:30 +0300 Subject: the_dojang: Fw: *******Best Martial Arts Tapes - Only $24 per tape ***************** Hi I just got this email and I think that some info might be interesting for you , guys ....if you are interested in martial arts ..... > - ---------------- Original message follows ---------------- > From: Xtreme Media > To: > Date: > Subject: *******Best Martial Arts Tapes - Only $24 per tape **************= > Well lets see. 54 tapes at 24 dollars and two at 29.95....1395.90. Include shipping and handling..Nah!!. Not for something I watch maybe once or twice and that's it. God I love spam!! Someone from another list got spam from somebody with the e-mail address of karatekid. Over 100 messages in one day. He tried to e-mail back but the guy changed his addy already. Donna - -- NO!! My cycle doesn't leak! It marks it's territory. ------------------------------ From: Duffbeer@aol.com Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 11:28:24 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #355 Tang Soo! I remember reading recently about the courts deciding that the defending of one's self using just your body (no weapons) can not be held as a criminal incident if you severly hurt or kill your opponant. (referring to MA'tists versus regular people). Does anyone know of the exact case, or similar case law? Also, what was the final verdict about people who 'register their hands as deadly wapons' with their local police? Is this just one of those myths, or is it true? I know we had some discussions on the digest, but what was the final conclusion? Thanks Allison ------------------------------ From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 17:00:51 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Kong Sang Koon John: >If that's how you are comfortable doing it....then that is how you should do it. We so often >forget that Hyung are not written in stone. Variation is completely acceptable and actually >should be encouraged... Oh John, I feel so much better now that you've blessed me . (sigh of relief) Thanks for your insights. >Now...to illustrate this point...and Mac...you'd love this and I'd love to show this version to >you.....in my Kong Sang Koon we have a combination Ahneso Pahkero Chagi eso Edan Dora Dwee >Chagi ero. (that is an inside crescent kick and jump spinnin back kick combination) right >before the drop that is in the hyung. Once down....you do an Iron Broom and Dragon Tail Sweep >combination before rising to the knee strike and supported uppercut combination. Years ago I believe I saw something like this, but I think it was an Okanawan form, maybe Shorin-Ryu, where the drop *was* a sweep, possibly simular to the way you described. I remember thinking that it was very interesting, and looked way cool! (that was for you younger folks) Why else would you be in that position when fighting? I've heard one interpratation that you may be fighting on uneaven ground, or that you dropped into high grass out of sight (part of the reasons for looking right/left prior to turning around in the choi ha dan soo do mahkee). I really like the sweep idea, but have never done it myself. >Well...hopefully.....in time.....we will get a chance to meet at some tournament and can >exchange some stuff. can't wait.... Oh, BTW, I believe the "Ahneso Pahkero Chagi" is an inside-to-outside crescent kick, not an inside crescent kick, but I knew what you meant..... Hehehehehehe couldn't resist John :-) ------------------------------ From: " " Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 16:11:59 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Records for Breaking! Recently, there were several discussions regarding breaking boards, bricks and wood. Does anyone know who holds the records for most boards broken, biggest broken, etc.? Any info regarding where I could find this information out would also be great! - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ From: Steven Gilmore Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 22:40:23 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Who will attack you >In the Hapkido Dojang where train we are commonly taught control and >minimum force maneuvers. > >As a white belt a year ago the some of the first things I learned (after >learning how to break a grab) where: reacting to someone grabing my shirt >by raising my hands between their arms and putting my thumbs together and >pressing the lowest point on their larynx which forces them to gag which >gives me time to do whatever I want (alternatively you can push your thumbs >into their eyes which distracts the hell out of them and accomplishes the >same thing) I consider poking my fingers into somebody's larynx or eyes an INAPPROPRIATE response to having my SHIRT grabbed. You might want to find out if your HapKiDo teaches some variation "eue bohk soo" (clothing technique) where you respond to a shirt grab by simply joint-locking the offending arm -- and why not, since by grabbing you they have put a number of very-easily-attacked joints within your convenient reach. In Kuk Sool Won, "eue bohk soo" is begun at yellow belt level. And there seems to be a misconception that joint-locks are inherently less-dangerous to the attacker: WRONG. A joint-lock can cause pain (the lowest level), dislocation (higher) or crippling damage that even a talented medical team will have difficulty reversing (the highest level). The "safety" of a joint-lock is entirely in the discretion of the performer. This whole topic disturbs me because it appears that: (a) many people have no clue as to the laws regarding "self-defense" -- and that if they react with this "I'm gunna bust yer $*#!& head with my powerful kick" mentality they are begging for a boatload of legal trouble that they could have avoided with some education (b) a lot of what is being taught is not relevant to the context of modern attack, e.g., domestic violence (c) that Tae-Bo and similar things (like sparring with pads and judges and rules) are creating false confidence as to one's ability to defend oneself. Sincerely, Steven Gilmore Houston, TX, USA ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 07:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #356 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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