From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #361 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 20 July 1999 Vol 06 : Num 361 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Red tape the_dojang: Re: Who will attack you / Whacking the Larynx ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steven Gilmore Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:05:08 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Red tape >Wow, I was just looking on to how to go about registering a small business >in my state, and I ran across so many types of businesses my head is >spinning.... > >Inc., LLC, LLP, LLLP..... hmmmmm. > >Anyone research the pluses and minuses of each of these types for your >school? I know each has strength and weaknesses, especially for liability >purposes.... and advice from those of you who have recently made the >decision? John? We chose LLC because we liked the relatively simple structure (like a general partnership) in combination with the legal protections (like a corporation). Nolo Press (http://www.nolo.com) does an excellent job of explaining the various types of legal entities. Sincerely, Steven Gilmore Houston, TX, USA ------------------------------ From: Steven Gilmore Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:40:09 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Who will attack you / Whacking the Larynx >Considering it is a basic drill to teach techniques defending against >front grabs, it is also applicable as a basic building block for a series >of techniques useful against any type of frontal grab, from a choke to >about anything else you can think of. There are other, very-effective strikes that can be accomplished from the same position which are not directed at the eyes or throat. >Similarly, poking someone in the eyes really isn't that serious, depending >on how you do it. And most importantly, it is a great way to distract an >attacker so that you can attempt to escape. MY EYES consider it very serious, no matter how it is done. As I said before, there are other less-risky targets available. Especially in response to having a SHIRT grabbed. >Actually, the most important part of it is that it is _easy_. Many people >try to teach joint locks as the basics of self-defense----and they aren't >very basic. Even the easiest joints locks are MUCH more difficult to >learn and execute on a resisting opponent than a simple eye poke. I think now we're into a matter of educational methodology and practice time more than technical merits. I will say that too often, people practice joint locks only on willing, non-resistive partners.... bad idea. >Also, the larnyx technique isn't quite what you think. :) It isn't a >strike, though it can be (if the situation is serious enough to require >it) ---you use the points of the thumbs to press in slightly above the >hollow of the throat, in a slightly upwards angle. At this point, it is >easy to cause pain (and panic) but isn't likely (at all) to damage either >the windpipe or the larnyx. Now, if it is applied higher, that is a >different story. > >Which is a good thing, because this reaction can be used for an entire set >of levels of attack. I understand the how-tos of attacking the larynx... it is taught at white belt level in Kuk Sool Won. I still don't think it is appropriate for responding to a SHIRT grab. >However, the techniques spoken of earlier aren't of the "mess with me, and >I'll rip out your eyes" type. Matter of fact, I can think of a situation >in my past where I used the pads of my fingers to tap the eyes of an >attacker who grabbed me with one hand, and was ready to punch me with >another. It was a front grab, and my reaction (initially) was straight >from my white belt days. My followup was a joint lock, but what made THAT >easy was that simple, quick, white belt technique. > >The eye tap caused no damage, merely made him blink and stop for a moment, >re-arranging his thinking. I COULD have used that technique to do severe >damage to his eyes----but that doesn't mean I had to. You train to react >appropriately to the situation. > I think that you are both very fortunate. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------------------------------- >If someone attacks me and starts by >grabbing my shirt it's still an attack. Once someone attacks me I feel >that any response is appropriate, short of a response meant to kill >(assuming the attacker isn't trying to kill me in which case all bets are >off). I understand the emotional response here but I do not agree with it. All of my training has taught me about the appropriateness of response. A grabbed shirt is just not that serious an attack and therefore doesn't warrant risking their eyesight or ability to breathe (both of which, without great control on your part, ARE life-threatening). >The belief of my instructor is that if you stick your thumbs into their eyes >and push them away they probably won't be coming back for more. You avoid >the fight. They walk away rubbing their eyes, but they'll recover. If I >put someone in a joint lock I may have to use it. I don't know about you, >but I'd rather not break someone's arm if I can avoid it. No disrespect to your teacher, but my experience is that striking people only tends to enrage them and make them attack all the harder. I don't think in this case that someone will just "walk away" unless you have done such damage to their vision that they cannot continue. In the above story, the eye attack was not the fight-finisher. From a tactical standpoint, I'd say that this shirt grab is a prelude to an incoming punch with their other hand (again, see previous story). Better, I think, to immediately put the person on the floor via a joint-lock combination, and hold them there. End of conflict. >Right now I'm learning many variations of wrist locks and >some elbow locks. But at my level of experience I'd probably break the >joint in the process of puting the lock on in the context of an actual >attack. So my preference would be to defend myself with a less damaging >move. After a couple of years when my technique with locks is fine-tuned >they will probably be my maneuver of choice (or maybe not, who knows?). >But for now, my plan is to use intimidating moves or basic strikes to >defend myself on the off chance someone attacks me. We both agree that control is important, whether it is controlled joint manipulation or controlled striking. When I first began, my preference, too, was to striking; I have transitioned over time to preferring joint manipulations. Against an agressive attack, I would very likely use a combination of striking, pressure-point manipulation, and joint-locking to subdue and immobilize an attacker. Sincerely, Steven Gilmore Houston, TX, USA ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #361 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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