From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #364 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 21 July 1999 Vol 06 : Num 364 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #362 the_dojang: Martial arts games the_dojang: Re: V6 #362: force the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #363 the_dojang: Decision time the_dojang: RE: Mueller family good news the_dojang: games the_dojang: double congrats to you and yours Eric the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SunBiNim@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 00:51:52 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #362 Mr. Rowe and others mention the liability protection that a corporation gives. However, as martial arts instructors, wouldn't the liability ultimately rest with the owner if he or she is also the teacher? I think that Mr. Hancock and I are in this position. I, too, use Sole Proprietorship and just make sure I have liability insurance and don't pay the attorney or the CPA. ------------------------------ From: Bob Cookson Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:50:25 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Martial arts games John - You asked about martial arts games for kids' classes... most of ours are a variation of chasing games, which they generally need to get out excess energy anyway. We have nerf bats which 2 - 3 kids use as "Samurais" to knock down the rest of the "Ninja" class - last ones up win that round. Dodgeball is good for energy and fun, also for coordination and accuracy. If you have a mat/floor that can take it (or needs mopping), the smallest guys do well with a relay race using dixie cups of water. you can do stance drills this way too. Hope this helps! Melody Cookson East Coast TKD, Alpharetta GA ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #362: force >You may use only that degree of force that is >reasonably necessary under the circumstances to protect yourself (or >others) from the unlawful force that is being used against you. Is that not "necessary" as reasonably perceived by the person defending him or herself? As screwed up as the legal system is these days, I find it difficult to believe that a standard of dispassionate judgement would be applied. === Tang Soo! Scott ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #363 >OK....serious post this time > >I'm looking for suggestion on martial art related games for my kids >classes. Pin the tail on the sabumnim;>? === Scott ------------------------------ From: TKDKurt@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:53:54 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Decision time I apologize in advance for what will undoubtedly become a long e-mail. I'll try not to ramble, but I would like the advice of those on this list. A little background is necessary. I study, and teach, at a school that has multiple branches. I have come to learn that some of these branches are owned by the grandmaster, and others are sold to instructors as franchises. I started out at one of the owned branches. My annual contract is there and I pay my modest monthly tuition there. The senior instructor there, who had taken my sons and me from white belt through 1st dan, became a police officer just before I took my 2nd dan test. Those that filled in teaching when he left (including me) were all of my same rank. So, there was no one to teach me. The other instructors were also younger (19-20) and therefore were reluctant to correct someone like me who was senior (OK, WAY senior) in age. I felt that my skills were deteriorating with no one to yell at me. I even declined to test for my 2nd dan twice because I didn't think I was as good as I should be. I therefore asked the 5th dan who ran one of the other branches if I could attend some classes at his school. My sons and I are well thought of throughout the schools, and he agreed, as I expected that he would. I continue to teach some classes at the other branch. I have since come to learn, which I did not know at the time, that his branch is a franchise. When I took my second dan test, the application asked for which branch of the school I attended. I listed both branches. For reasons not important here, I ended up testing for my 2nd dan one on one with the grandmaster, rather than at the group test. When the test was completed, he sat me down and confronted me with the form. He gave me along speech about loyalty and "home school", told me of his training in Korea (how he went to Seoul to learn new techniques, but always brought them back to his small town "home school"). He told me I was the senior student ever to come out of that school, and how that gave me a higher responsibility. He told me it was fine to go to the other branch, but that I should bring back what I learned there to my home school. After my second dan promotion, I tried to go back to the other school, but frankly didn't get much out of it, nor did my sons. A third dan of roughly my age had been brought into that school to run the business aspects ($) and he told me bluntly that he didn't think the black belts should even take classes, but should train on their own. He had come from a background of what he describes as hwarangdo, and there is nothing he could teach me with respect to either our forms curriculum or WTF-style fighting (which he admits he doesn't know), even if he wanted to. The one good aspect of that branch is that the elite fighting class is there and it is excellent for my sons (it is taught by the grandmaster's son). I have continued to take classes at the non-home branch. My former instructor, who originally came out of that branch also attends classes there. It was he who told me that that branch was a franchise and that the 5th dan who runs it had expressed to him the idea that you should pay your tuition where you take your classes. I told him the 5th dan had never spoken to me about it and my instructor said he probably never would. My contract at the "home school" has now expired, and I need to do a new one. If I do it at the home school, I will feel like I am cheating the instructor who is actually teaching me. If I stop going to the other branch, I am afraid I will stagnate and lose interest. If I do it at the other branch, the grandmaster will undoubtedly be angry with me, and it might foreclose my kids ability to attend the elite class. A final wrinkle: The 5th dan that teaches the other branch is "old fashioned". He is not that up on the new fighting techniques. He also "stylizes" some of the forms to the point where I frankly think they are just plain wrong. For example, he is teaching Taegeuk Il Jang with all deep stances where the walking stances should be. He thinks it looks better, but I think its wrong. If I do my contract there, he will certainly expect me to teach, and I won't teach the students the forms incorrectly. What would you do if you were me? Kurt Rommel ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:52:54 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Mueller family good news > ------------------------------ > > From: Eric Mueller > Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 19:56:44 -0400 > Subject: the_dojang: Congratulations > > Congratulations to my wife, Myong-Suk, who Became a United States Citizen > July 9th in Baltimore Maryland, and my son Jason, who became a National > Champion Black Belt, July 14th in Las Vegas Nevada. > > Eric Mueller > > As my daughters would say, "Woo Hoo!!" Congrats all around! Kerry ------------------------------ From: No1IDIC@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:10:08 EDT Subject: the_dojang: games Ok John here you go. These are the two my kid loves so much he taught the neighborhood kids how to play. The first is Master Says as is just like Simon Says. Here's the kicker. If you say Master says left front snap kick they gotta do it. But if you say "switch" most of them will b/c its ingrained in them. So they have to truly learn to react and not anticipate. Also, here is the I've seen the adults fall for; properly call out a few punches or kick. After 3 or 5 say "kihap" and when they do it they will be out b/c you didn't say "master says". When you are down to 2 or 3 who are really good you can get them by saying "wow, right down to wire here. guys, "look at me". If they do they are out. Sometimes you can have them do pushups to erase their mistakes so they can join in again. Second is what I call Korean duck-duck-goose. This, IMO, is a speed/reaction drill. Sit in a circle. Someone has a soft ball or towel and walks around the circle. You drop it behind someone's back and all they can use is their hands to feel for it. You can also fake someone out. IF the object is there that person has to try and tag the "dropper" before they take the "droppee's" place in the circle. << I'm looking for suggestion on martial art related games for my kids classes. Dawne ------------------------------ From: No1IDIC@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 11:13:43 EDT Subject: the_dojang: double congrats to you and yours Eric Congratulations to my wife, Myong-Suk, who Became a United States Citizen July 9th in Baltimore Maryland, appropriate time, dontcha think? and my son Jason, who became a National Champion Black Belt, July 14th in Las Vegas Nevada. Congrats to him too. What was your overall experience? observations? ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #364 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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