From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #365 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thurs, 22 July 1999 Vol 06 : Num 365 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #363 the_dojang: TKD calendar the_dojang: Re: Decision time the_dojang: Family attacks the_dojang: Re: V6 #364: what would you do? the_dojang: Re: Congratulations the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #364 the_dojang: What would you do if you were me? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #363 the_dojang: Self-defense the_dojang: Re: Kids' Games the_dojang: Liability the_dojang: Force and Weapons the_dojang: I'm back... ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Aaron Harmon" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 08:43:45 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #363 > >Finally, I am quite ignorant of laws regarding self defense. I live in >Texas. Can somebody fill me in on this? > Laws are different from state to state, and Texas is about as different as they come. So I would not even guess. Do they still have the "He deserved it" defense for murder? Aaron Harmon One is not likely to achieve understanding from the explanation of another. -Takuan Soho ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: TKD calendar WTF Taekwondo Events Calendar 7/21/99 Dates and locations subject to change. 1999 13th Pam Am Games July 23-Aug 8 Winnipeg, Canada 13th Pam Am Games - TKD event Aug 6-7 Winnipeg, Canada 20th Southeast Asian Games Aug 7-15 Bandar Seri Begawan, Brunei US Senior Elite Training Camp Aug 8-14 Colorado Spgs, CO 2nd World Military Games Aug 11-14 Zagreb, Croatia 2nd International TKD Korea Open Aug 12-14 Chongju, Korea US Gold Team Training Camp Aug 20-22 Colorado Spgs, CO 7th All African Games Sep 15-18 Johannesburg, South Africa Regional Selection TKD Tourny Sep-Oct (in 4 continents) for Sydney Olympics - Europe Oct 16-17 Stockholm, Sweden - Pan American Oct 1-2 Miami, Florida - Asia Sep 25-26 Manila, Philippines - Africa Sep 9-10 Johannesburg, South Africa 8th South Asian Fed. Games Sep 25-Oct 4 Kathmandu, Nepal 2nd Pacific Ocean Games Oct 6-17 Santiago, Chile US Gold Team Training Camp Dec 3-5 Colorado Spgs, CO TKD Test Event for Sydney Dec 4-5 Sydney, Australia 2000 World Cup TKD Mar or Apr Lyon, France 6th World University TKD Champ Mar 29-Apr 2 Kaohsiung, Taipei 27th Olympic Games Sep 15-Oct 1 Sydney, Australia Olympic Games TKD event Sep 27-30 Sydney, Australia 14th Asian TKD Champ Hong Kong, China 6th African TKD (3rd Women's) Champ Zimbabwe 13th European Senior TKD Champ Athens, Greece 12th Pan Merican TKD Champ Puerto Rico 2001 World Cup TKD May Hochiminh City, Vietnam 15th Workd TKD Champ & 8th Women's World TKD Champ mid-Sept Cheju City, Korea 7th Central American Games Guatemala City, Guatemala ------------------------------ From: dbuehrer@denver.carl.org Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:46:03 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Decision time \ From: TKDKurt@aol.com [snip] \ What would you do if you were me? \ \ Kurt Rommel Well, I'm not you so I'm not sure what I'd do if I were you :) However, if I found myself in the same situation and there was no recourse (which it sounds like there isn't) I'd start looking at other TKD schools that are of a different affiliation, or I'd starting thinking about taking a different martial art and broaden my knowledge. If you try to meet the grandmaster's expectations it sounds like you'll be unhappy. If you go to the school with the 5th Dan it sounds like there would be problems and you'd be unhappy. I don't know about you, but I don't like being unhappy (which is a bit of an oxymoron I guess :) It might be time to move on. \ A third dan \ of roughly my age had been brought into that school to run the business \ aspects ($) and he told me bluntly that he didn't think the black belts \ should even take classes, but should train on their own. This, IMHO, is even more reason to start cross-training. If your school(s) don't have anymore to offer I suggest starting in another martial art. Have you considered Hapkido? ;) - -David Buehrer - -- Supervisor, Database Preparation The UnCover Company mailto:dbuehrer@denver.carl.org - -- - -- "One little smile can fill the room with sunshine." ------------------------------ From: "David Chinell" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:38:49 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Family attacks Listers: I watched the posts about attacks from family members come and go, but nobody mentioned the dangerous, self-fulfilling aspect of such statistical surveys. When I began my martial arts career, my teacher showed me a similar survey. Armed with the knowledge that the highest likelihood of an attack was from a close family member, I began full-contact, scenario-based training against my sister. At first, when she was only four or five years old, it was easy to defeat her. But by the time she hit thirteen she was a hardened, experienced fighter, and had a pronounced "bad attitude" towards me -- her own brother! By the time she was sixteen, she no longer needed the "excuse" of drunkenness to deliver a humiliating beating to me. Learn from my mistake. Remember that statistics can cut both ways. Bear ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #364: what would you do? >What would you do if you were me? I'm glad you asked "what I would do", rather than "what should you do";>) I would segragate the 2 issues: 1] the problem that your grandmaster and the other instructor have with your attendance at the other school and the method of dues payment 2] the inadequacies in the instruction at dan level as you perceive them I wouldn't worry about #1, since IMHO you contributed nothing to the problem. It was your GM who created an organization with potential conflicts of interest and neither disseminated information nor formulated rules to prevent a practitioner from being innocently caught in the middle. It is therefore his responsibility, again IMHO, to suggest a mutually satisfactory solution (vague allusions to loyalty don't count for much in that regard;>) WRT #2, I suspect that we all see the curriculum inadequacies of our organizations more clearly as we advance. Certainly no organization is perfect in that regard. IMHO, every practitioner needs to be making a constant evaluation of the program and how well it fits his or her goals. This in no way condones frivolously jumping around between organizations, but if someone remains with an organization or school strictly out of ignorance or inertia, it benefits neither student nor school (assuming the school is interested in more than $$$). I realize that in this case, there is a relationship between the organizational issues and the quality of instruction, but since that relationship was not created by you and cannot be solved by you, I would ignore it. I hope this will be helpful, but I suspect not. Tang Soo! === Scott ------------------------------ From: CBAUGHN@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:31:06 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Congratulations Eric wrote: << Congratulations to my wife, Myong-Suk, who Became a United States Citizen July 9th in Baltimore Maryland, and my son Jason, who became a National Champion Black Belt, July 14th in Las Vegas Nevada. >> Way cool, Eric! Please pass on congrats to both. Sally CBAUGHN@aol.com ------------------------------ From: 4karate@bellsouth.net Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:05:42 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #364 >I'm looking for suggestion on martial art related games for my kids >classes. Pin the tail on the sabumnim;>? === Scott YEEEOOOOWWWCCCHHHHH! HEY!! Don't give 'em any ideas! John ------------------------------ From: 4karate@bellsouth.net Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:12:49 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: What would you do if you were me? What would you do if you were me? Kurt Rommel Kurt, there is only one answer here.........what does your heart tell you to do? If you can find that answer....hold onto it....and all the other questions will find answers from it. John Hancock ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:35:16 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #363 > > From: 4karate@bellsouth.net > Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:28:39 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: The Games People Play > > OK....serious post this time > > I'm looking for suggestion on martial art related games for my kids classes. > > John > One of our favorites is "The Blob." One kid is picked to be the Blob From Outer Space. He has to chase the others and tag (slime) someone, who is then absorbed into the Blob. The two have to link arms and go slime someone else, who then links arms with them, etc. If the Blob is not linked together, no one can be slimed. When you get up to 5 or so people in the Blob, it's a real hoot. It's a great game to teach the concept of teamwork and self-control. ------------------------------ From: "Diane Goodman" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:06:30 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Self-defense The blind guy that used martial arts and killed someone was let off, but = my guess is he probably WOULDN'T have been if he had been a sighted person = ... It might be good to develop a standard repertoire of "painful but not = deadly" defenses to use on the so-called drunk brother-in-law. As for = anyone else, if they attack me, I feel justified in using whatever it = takes. I probably would be inclined to kick some effective spot on his = leg, to make him fall down, to give me time to run away. Of course, we = "girls" can get away with more ... My teacher taught us to memorize the following phrase: "Officer, I was in = fear for my life." Diane ------------------------------ From: "Darlene" Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:34:15 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Kids' Games One game that we do with the kids is a circle spar. All the kids stand in a circle in a sparring ready stance. As soon as the instructor give the spar command, they find one sparring partner at a time and try to score a point. Once a point has been scored against you, you sit down. Last one up is the winner (praise, no prize). Sometimes, if the class has a large turnout, he'll split them up into two rounds: lower belts and higher belts. Occasionally he'll run the sparring circle twice. Another activity that he does with the kids is not a game, but one they enjoy. The instructor will set up "stations" where kids go around the room (all spread out in pairs or groups of four among the various stations to start) every two to five minutes. Some stations are: bag practices (different activities at each of the 3 bags), spin back kicks into a wall mat, jump rope, sparring "tag" (exchanging roundhouse kicks with a partner), etc. Have fun! Darlene Port Hadlock, WA ------------------------------ From: mctague@att.net Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:28:06 +0000 Subject: the_dojang: Liability As to the question of whether liability attaches or not to a dojang owner who is also the instructer. Then, in some states, a potential accident sufferer may be able to sue both under a respondeat superior arguement. The point where a seperate entity becomes beneficial is in terms of ordinary corporate contracts. Let's say you open up a dojang and sign a 12 month lease on the space. If you are incorporated somehow and you sign as president of John Doe Dojang, Inc., then 3 months down the road the dojang goes broke and gets shut down, so what? You're not liable for 9 months of rent that's due. On the other hand, you open up a school and sign John Doe on the lease contract. 3 months later the school's belly up, and guess what? You have to make up personally 9 months of rent. Granted there are a lot of escape clauses, but when you think of all the bills that come due to a school - rent, utilities, supplies, stationary, advertising, etc. - it's safer to have them in someone else's name than yours. ------------------------------ From: mctague@att.net Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:38:45 +0000 Subject: the_dojang: Force and Weapons First, the definition of force depends on the state. In Florida, court's look to a reasonably prudent person standard to determine whether force was justified. Given the circumstances, there's a lot of lattitude you get with this standard. Second, on the topic of whether parts of the body can be considered dangerous weapons, I think the laws in many states are applying a naive standard here. Let's assume you can prove in a court of law that a person knows dim mak in all its legendness and you can make the court understand what that means. I would find it hard to believe that a competant court would not find that person possessed a "dangerous weapon" within the context of the laws. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: I'm back... Surgery over. Pain bad, but the Vicodin helps. Rather difficult to type w/one hand... Ray Terry ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #365 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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