From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #371 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 28 July 1999 Vol 06 : Num 371 In this issue: the_dojang: Hapkido & knees the_dojang: Hap Ki Do & knees the_dojang: Re: Hap Ki Do & knees the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #370 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #369 the_dojang: . ......................................................................... The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body of an e-mail (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last two years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joey Stinson" Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:01:29 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido & knees I'll give a little info on my knees. I had been training in TKD for 13 years and HKD for 6 and had no knee problems. I started taking some judo and had knee problems. I went to a chiropractor and nothing helped, went to a orthapedic doc, he wanted to operate, no way I said. Went to an acupuncturist, two sessions and have not had a problem since. I had a blockage in my bladder meridian. Would not hurt to look into this. Joey Stinson ------------------------------ From: Andreas John Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:46:27 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: Hap Ki Do & knees TW wrote: | I was wondering if anyone else had problems with their knees when they | first started taking Hap Ki Do or any other form? To practice Hapkido You must have some strengh in Your knees. Be carefull not to hyperextend knees and ellbows. Always "snap back" when kicking and punching. I never heard of someone who feels pain in the knees during the lesson without having serverly hurt the knee before. There is most danger for the knees when You .... a.) do sparring b.) jump-kicks (especially the landing !!!) Try to built up some strength in the knees ...... keep on Hapkidoin' Andi Message origin: john@systemdesign.net ; http://www.systemdesign.net This message and any statements expressed therein are those of myself and not of System Design or its subsidiary companies. ------------------------------ From: dbuehrer@denver.carl.org Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 08:07:03 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Hap Ki Do & knees \ From: "Winners, Todd" \ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:55:08 -0400 \ Subject: the_dojang: Hap Ki Do & knees \ \ I was wondering if anyone else had problems with their knees when they \ first started taking Hap Ki Do or any other form? \ \ I used to have problems with my knees in high school but now at 30 I \ have been pain free (even squatting 315lbs). My high school days also \ consisted of TKD. I am trying hard to not make the connection between \ martial arts and knee problems because I really love Hap Ki Do. \ \ Anyway, I know what to do for the pain (what little there is besides ice \ etc), but I am wondering if my kicking is the culprit. I had a problem with my left knee shortly after I started taking Hapkido. In my case it was a combination of poor off-the-mat habits and poor technique with Hapkido kicks and moving stances. I'm a supervisor, and tall. When my employees needed help I was in the habit of squating down to answer their question (bringing my head level with theirs) rather than tower over them. Well, guess what, if you do a full squat (until your heels are almost touching your but) it puts a *lot* of strain on your knees. Mistake number one. Since I had been squatting like this for three years my knees were close to giving out (though I didn't know it). Within a few weeks of starting Hapkido I was taught front snap kicks. One of the primary techniques is to snap your kick back as fast as you can. However, as I learned, if you don't do that you can hyperextend your knee. So, I hyperextended my left knee and strained the ligaments in the back of the knee. Mistake number two. I continued to squat at work. Since my knee was weaker it couldn't keep everything in place when I squated, and the pressure started to push things harder than they could take. However, I didn't feel this happening. All I knew was that my knee didn't seem to be getting any better. It didn't hurt a lot though, so I blew it off. Mistake number three. At my dojang we also go through moving stances at the beginning of every class. Well, my knee was sore, and I was new, so when doing the 180 degree rotation required when moving forward or backward while in a horse stance, my technique wasn't what it should have been. Mistake number four. With weak ligaments in the back, and strained cartilage in the ball/cup part of my knee, and sloppy technique during moving stances, the cartilage in my knee finally gave (it didn't tear or come off the bone, but it sure got strained). I was going from one horse stance to another when I suddenly felt a sharp pain right behind my knee cap. I immediately stopped and sat out the rest of the class, and made a doctor's appointment the next day. I was very lucky. I had to stop taking Hapkido for six months and wear a neoprin knee brace (to keep my knee warm and improve blood circulation so it would heal faster and stronger). I continue to wear the neoprin brace on the knee I injured, and another one on the other knee (just in case). And I don't squat any more. The price of knowledge is pain. Learn from my pain :) Don't do full squats if you're lifting weights. If you need to squat down, don't. Kneel down on one knee (keeping both of your knees at 90 degree angles), or sit down. The moment your hurt your knee, stop doing what you're doing. Don't do whatever you did to hurt your knee for about two weeks (assuming it's minor, if it's not *go see a doctor*). Be precise and exact with your technique. If something doesn't feel right, ask for further instruction. I highly recommend wearing neoprin knee braces, regardless of whether or now you've ever injured you knees. They will warm up your knees better than any warm up exercise, and keep you knees warm and loose throughout the entire class. So, in answer to the question, I don't feel that Hapkido caused my knee injury. Ignorance caused my injury. Hapkido was just the arena in which my ignorance fostered my injury. - -David Buehrer - -- Supervisor, Database Preparation The UnCover Company mailto:dbuehrer@denver.carl.org - -- - -- "One little smile can fill the room with sunshine." ------------------------------ From: Greg Giddins Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 11:50:37 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #370 Hey gusys, I remember a while back someone posted a link to a Martial Arts School related software product. I forget the name, and don't have the link any more, but I was wondering if it was still out there, or if there are more programs available, as it was about a year ago that the last product was discussed. Anybody know if any software for us? Greg Giddins ggiddins@corp.webb.net "I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law." -- Aristotle ------------------------------ From: Barrel Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:14:53 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #369 Hello, Thanks to Gregg London, I do not only have space for my webpage, I now even have my own domain name! Some of you might have a link to my page and I would like to announce the new address: General Taekwondo Information http://www.barrel.net/ Barrel's Martial Arts Links http://www.barrel.net/martial-arts/ The previous URL was http://www.glondon.com/barrel (or even older: http://cal007301.student.utwente.nl/taekwondo/ ) Comments are welcome, of course. Barrel - -- Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it. - - Mahatma Gandhi. General Taekwondo Information http://www.barrel.net/ Barrel's Martial Arts Links http://www.barrel.net/martial-arts/ ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 19:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #371 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com, in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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