From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #395 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Fri, 13 Aug 1999 Vol 06 : Num 395 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: TKD essays the_dojang: Re: Fumio Demura's Books the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #394 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #394 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #394 Re: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #394 the_dojang: Re: Training methods the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dequayle@olypen.com Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:29:17 -0000 Subject: the_dojang: Re: TKD essays > "If it's clean, it is beautiful, and If it's natural, it is perfect" My > instructor wants me to explain the statement, with regards to both everyday > life, and tkd training, (mentally and physically). In TKD, a clean break is a nice thing to see. When someone has developed a side kick that looks and feels natural, it may or may not be perfect, depending on whether you're doing it right. In everyday life, a clean thought is positive, and I suppose, could be considered beautiful. a natural scene, undisturbed by man is perfect (not to mention beautiful if it is this clean of outside intrusions). In both areas, I feel that clean, beautiful, natural, and perfect are all goals. As a 1st dan, I expect that I will not be able to do all my breaks cleanly, nor my forms. What may seem natural to me now , either mentally or physically, in thought or movement, may not be perfect or even correct, but I'm working on it. I do not believe we can reach absolute perfection, but then again, most of us (at least not me) aren't striving to become 10th dan BB. I do, however, try to make the space around me clean and to leave it as natural as possible. If we can just get closer, we are achieving parts of those goals. Darlene 2nd kup Port Hadlock, WA As mom always says, "leave a place as good or better than you found it." ------------------------------ From: ATATKD@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 07:56:04 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Fumio Demura's Books In a message dated 8/12/99 11:01:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Kevin, You might check out Fumio Demura's two books on the Nunchaku. I seem to recall that it has 'kata' in it. Also do a search on Nunchaku via a search engine like aj.com and you'll get a number of interesting hits. >> This reminds me of when I was a kid (I'm 31 now). A friend and myself bought one of his books (It was either the Bo or the Tonfa Book). We tried teaching ourselves everything we could from the book. Then we would try fighting with our new found knowledge. We only sparred between ourselves and didn't wear gear. That phase didn't last too long. Which brings up another point. When I am sitting up at the judges table at rank testing it always brings back memories of my first testing. Sometimes I have to remind students that "Yes, I was once a white belt". I look back over my progress since starting and I tell ya, I feel really good about my accomplishments and those of my students. I'll do anything I can for a student, if it's within my grasp. Ranking Testing again this weekend, here come those memories ;) Joe ATA - Long Island, NY ------------------------------ From: Chris McKenna Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:07:59 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #394 Any reason I didn't get digest 393? anyone?? anyone?? > > > > Explain a little more about GTF. I never heard of this yet. Donna > - -- > The GTF seams to be a similar style of TKD as the ITF. (for instance the same basic patterns, chon-ji, dan gun etc?). But under the head GM Park Jung Tae (ever heard of him?), I think he is also based in Toronto, Canada, and his federation is gathering momentum? His "idea" being that TKD should be more 'Global' and less political. I also heard through the grapevine that a large number (thousands) of ITF'ers from Malaysia had joined the GTF! For us a club members there is loads of new stuff to do, starting with a range of 4 directional kicking/blocking/attacking manoeuvres that are learned in conjunction with the new pattern learned at each grading. (to help kicking get off to a faster/better start). I know that GM PARK has also added a BB pattern at second degree (sorry can't remember the name), that has about 100 or more moves - several people in my club know it, including my sister, and it is a wonder to watch! Loads of kicks and every move imaginable). At a club level there really isn't too much of a difference as our instructor is good anyway. The big difference is the way in that GM PARK has let the Scottish section be run by Scottish Black Belts who are revising the whole curriculum from a 5 yr. old beginner all the way up! And also with competitions especially. Our ITF association decided that we would only be allowed to fight in ITF competitions. No inter styles, kung-fu/kickboxing/WTF anything at all, and for big events abroad ONLY British squad members would be allowed to participate! Under the GTF, if you can get there by any means, you can go! From our club we had blue and red belts ( as well as black belts) at the World championships in St. Louis. They loved it. All they had to do was raise money for the Air flight and accommodation! I have met both GM Choi and GM Park, through Seminars conducted in Scotland! The experience of each was vastly different! At the GM Choi seminar, after he arrived he took his suit jacket off and proceed to describe in barley audible pidgin English a down-up-down motion for a bit, then as part of the seminar he got 5 individual students (one for each grade) made them do their highest pattern then made that students instructor do the same pattern and invited comments, whilst the 200 or so other students sat and watched. Then we were invited to ask GM Choi questions.....which he promptly never answered. He decided to get random black belts to answer the questions put to him. Why? who knows! After 2 hours of inactivity we got to wait in a queue 200 deep to shake his hand and get our Doboks signed. It left a sour taste in many mouths! I know some students who have Never been to another seminar because of this one. The GM Park seminars were much better (Not perfect, but much better), which included loads of different techniques and kicking stuff and exercises and self defence, and destruction and flying breaks and humour and FUN. How many people can say they got to put a head lock on the 9th Degree head of their federation! I think I am quite fit and strong and GM Park disabled me flat on my in about 1/2 a second without any effort smiling the whole time. ( This happened at both Seminars!) Oh God, look at how much I have typed....Sorry for rambling on but we were asked for more chat! Besides we all have to be passionate about something, thank the lord mine isn't stamps or trains...that would be sad! Does anyone else have anything to add about the GTF? What are other peoples feelings about these seminars ? (essential activities or money spinners for whoever is taking them ?) Chris McKenna GTF Scotland >:~) ------------------------------ From: LJSFLEM@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:46:44 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #394 In a message dated 8/13/99 3:02:43 AM !!!First Boot!!!, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: TKD styles > I'm a practicioner of Tae kwon do. I understand that there are different > styles. Can anyone list all the styles and what makes them distinctive them > from the rest of the other styles? No one could list all the styles. There are just toooo many of them... >> In my search of new schools, each one has had different styling. The school I just left was WTF TKD, moving along very quickly one would expect to receive their Black Belt in 2- 2 1/2 years. My first thought was that this is great, but at what cost in technique. The next school also WTF had much focus on sparring, two days a week were blocked out for that purpose for all classes. I visited a school that wears a patch with GM Richard Chun's name. I was told their style was traditional Moo Duk Kwan. I observed and participated. The students ranged from white to green in the adult class. The belt rank had less colors that my previous school. This style, I was told, reaches Black Belt in approximately 4 years. There was focus on technique but the class was very small allowing the Master more time with each student. I passed over two other schools, one with a kick box program and the other I new had students also looking for new schools. Then I visisted another traditional style do-jang. This school has a Korean Master with 30 years experience. My experience there was overwhelming. I felt like I had not learned very much or certainly like the kid that was absent from school. These students executed moves with precision. The Master stressed foundation. Without foundation you can not move up and lack of foundation will cause injury. He said my prior teacher had no plan. I plan to go back and speak to the Master. It seems that no matter which style you select to practice, the quality of the training is the critical element. If I had not begin to look, I probably not have seen the difference unless I entered into competition. Also, I was told that there are two forms of TKD accepted: traditional, but no name for the other. Lorraine ------------------------------ From: LJSFLEM@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:49:39 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #394 In a message dated 8/13/99 3:02:43 AM !!!First Boot!!!, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I got to ask this. Is the tenet "humility" a addition or a deletion? I see a lot of >> Donna, we discussed humility as a part of courtesy. Lorraine ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #394 > unless I entered into competition. Also, I was told that there are two forms > of TKD > accepted: traditional, but no name for the other. Traditional Taekwondo... In an art that is less than 50 years old there really is no traditional Taekwondo. Some may try to make that claim (26 yrs ago I was in such a school), but IMHO it is just another marketing ploy. After all, if there were a traditional Taekwondo it would just be Japanese Karate-do. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Julie Jezek Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:55:32 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Training methods In my studio we train daily, but we also do special training classes mainly for competition. Every Wed and Fri, we have 1 and a 1/2 to 2 hour long classes depending. We hold these in the studio but they are not like the normal classes. We also have guest instructors that come to teach day camps, which last for about 3 days. As well as this we just recently participated with two other schools in a traveling training class, we would travel to each other's schools and train there for 2 hours. Other than this we train normally in our own dojangs. Julie Jezek Pangie@owc.net ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #395 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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