From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #399 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 16 Aug 1999 Vol 06 : Num 399 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #396 the_dojang: Re:Tao of Tang Soo Do the_dojang: August 15 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #398 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #398 the_dojang: Should we? the_dojang:Re: Indomitable Spirit the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #397 the_dojang: Texas Twister II the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Pfeifer, Steven" Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:58:36 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #396 What would you say are the major similarities and differences between TKD and Karate? Steve >> >> I agree with you Ray, and I consider myself and what I >> teach "Traditional >> Korean Martial Arts". I've attained Dan ranking in >> Karate-do also, so I agree >> that what I teach, Tang Soo Do, is very similar, only >> Korean flavored. >> >> That's why I like Moo Duk Kwan Tang Soo Do so much, >> the best of both worlds, >> forms similar to those found in most all Japanese >> styles of Karate, and the >> Korean kicks found in Taekwondo. Basically a blend of >> both of them. I don't ------------------------------ From: eirikr1@home.com Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:03:59 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re:Tao of Tang Soo Do > From: Ray Terry > Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:48:17 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: the_dojang: Tao of traditional TKD > > > Hapkido is a martial art synthesized in the 1950's that is 2,000 years > > old. > > IMHO, Hapkido is 2000 years old only in the logic of GM Hwang Kee with his > statement that Tang Soo Do is 2000 years old. > > 'Martial arts are 2000 years old, Tang Soo Do is a martial art, therefore > Tang Soo Do is 2000 years old.' > > I don't think so... :) Ah, but consider the raindrop on your head. Is it brand new because it fell this morning, or is it as old as it's been falling, 4 Billion years? ------------------------------ From: "Ray Terry" Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:45:07 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: August 15 August 15, 1945... Japan surrenders. Eye witness account and info from the Korea WebWeekly (http://www.kimsoft.com/korea.htm) of the end of the occupation of Korea. http://www.kimsoft.com/korea/eyewit09.htm Ray Terry rterry@best.com ------------------------------ From: 4karate@bellsouth.net Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:55:15 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #398 > 'Martial arts are 2000 years old, Tang Soo Do is a martial art, therefore > Tang Soo Do is 2000 years old.' > > I don't think so... :) > > Ray Terry Being a graduate of the Moo Duk Kwan in Seoul, Korea..........I'd still have to say I concur with Mr. Terry on this point. John Hancock Tang Soo Do Mi Yong Kwan American Dragaons School of Chinese Hand Way ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:57:19 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #398 > > > From: David Gordon > Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:28:02 GMT > Subject: the_dojang: RE: Traditional > > I too teach what I believe is "Traditional" or very close to it. I try to > follow what Gen. Choi and Master Cho (forgive spelling...) teaches. But, I > do like to add different things, but only as extras. > > IMHO, a "traditional" martial art is one that stresses the development of the student as a complete person, not just as a fighter. To me, if the foundations of courtesy, respect and discipline (among others) are present, it's pretty much traditional. Too many schools have gotten away from that and emphasize solely the fighting. > > ------------------------------ > > From: eirikr1@home.com > Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 11:56:45 -0500 > Subject: the_dojang: Tao of traditional TKD > > >From: Ray Terry > >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:12:41 -0700 (PDT) > >Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #394 > > >> unless I entered into competition. Also, I was told that there are two forms > >> of TKD > >> accepted: traditional, but no name for the other. > > >Traditional Taekwondo... In an art that is less than 50 years old there > >really is no traditional Taekwondo. Some may try to make that claim (26 yrs > >ago I was in such a school), but IMHO it is just another marketing ploy. > >After all, if there were a traditional Taekwondo it would just be Japanese > >Karate-do. > > >Ray Terry > > A Taoist would have you look at the facts: > > Hapkido is a martial art synthesized in the 1950's that is 2,000 years > old. Is taekwondo traditional? It definitely is although it absolutely > cannot be. The worst part of this Tao is that I believe it. I truly > believe an art can be fresh, dynamic, while venerable and cast in stone. IMHO, that has more to do with teaching methods than subject material. Mathematics has been around for a heckuva long time, but a good teacher will make it be interesting and a bad teacher...OHGODOHGOD - NOT ALGEBRA AGAIN....AAAARRRRGGGHHH...... ------------------------------ From: "Ray Terry" Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:40:25 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Should we? Should we plan for another members chat in the chatroom of the_dojang (http://www.escribe.com/martialarts/dojang/chat) this coming Friday evening, August 20? Ray Terry rterry@best.com ------------------------------ From: cuan.duncan@za.pwcglobal.com Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:55:37 +0200 Subject: the_dojang:Re: Indomitable Spirit I hold a first degree Black Belt in ITF Taekwon-do, and for the past eight years I have been struggling to obtain the Korean calligraphy for the tenet of "Indomitable Spirit", spelled "Baekjul Boolgool" in English. All I need is the hangul for Indomitable Spirit (preferably in electronic format, if at all possible). I will make prints of that, etc for my own use. I don't know anything about Korean calligraphy, but I would prefer "old", ie more traditional script than modern "billboard" lettering, if that is an option - hence my request for calligraphy, but I would be happy to get anything at this stage, as a start. This has become very important to me as a personal philosophy, and I would be exceptionally grateful for any assistance which anyone can give me in this regard. My contact details are as follows: Cuan Duncan PO Box 1169 Ferndale 2160, Republic of South Africa Phone : +27 11 780-2199 (o/h) / +27 82 467-1163 (mobile) - ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. ------------------------------ From: Chris McKenna Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:44:31 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #397 > Daniel Parker Wrote - > > Chris, what do you mean that your ITF Association decided > that you would > only be allowed to fight in ITF competitions? It's none of their > business. It sounds as if someone in that organisation is " > a little too > big for his britches (or dobok, as the case may be)"! Thanks > for all of > your letters to the digest. > > Cheers! Daniel > Our instructor just turned up one day and said that his instructor (a 5th Degree) had said NO to all non-ITF events for ITF practitioners in Scotland! My instructor absalootly and totally loves competitions and would have one everyday if it were possible and the only thing he likes more is fighting and competing against each and every style that has a competition organised. It was one of the many reasons that he left the ITF for the GTF. He wanted what was best for us students and that included travelling the country, competing wherever we could! I take it then, that this is NOT a normal thing to do for an organisation? Chris McKenna GTF Scotland ------------------------------ From: Brett Erwin Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:39:31 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Texas Twister II I know there are a few Texas ATA readers on the list, so on behalf of the Sustaire's Black Belt Academy in Allen, TX, I'd like to thank everyone for making our 2cd tournament (named: The Texas Twister II) such a great success! The tournament was held at Southfork Ranch. A place made famous by the Ewing family on the TV show, Dallas. We were able to start things off on-time at 9:00 am with a very quick opening ceremonies and a HOT demonstration (led by yours truely :) and had competition going by 9:30. We had 25 rings going consistantly through the day, and were able to get everyone done (861 competitors!!!) by 4:30 when we bowed out. That was fabulous. And because so many people stayed to help clean up, Southfork was spotless when we left at 5:00! Good times were had by all, and there were no major injuries. Brett Erwin Allen, TX ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 06:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #399 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in pub/the_dojang/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, California Taekwondo Standard disclaimers apply.