From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #403 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 17 Aug 1999 Vol 06 : Num 403 In this issue: the_dojang: Traditions and Traditional the_dojang: Traditions, traditions the_dojang: Blisters - Ouch and Yuk! the_dojang: Re: Belt Fees the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #402 the_dojang: Re: Belt fees the_dojang: Treating Sports Injuries of Children! the_dojang: Who Do You Prefer? the_dojang: Re: In Good Company the_dojang: Dehydration and More the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest the_dojang: wrapping up in a Tao the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #385 ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~725 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:53:03 CDT Subject: the_dojang: Traditions and Traditional >>>On the other hand calling it Traditional might just be a way to differentiate it from other TKD(MM)schools, that might be more sport(competition) orientated, rather thanfocusing on the 'Martial' side of defending one's life. But like the 'My art is better than yours' debate, surly the term traditional is subjective and will mean something different to every ART proclaiming it in the title. Chris McKenna>>>>>>>> ================================= Totally agree with your last sentence, Chris, also because it means something so different and so very special (hopefully) to each individual based on their own family history of traditions. I'm sure many individuals have family reunions and picnics, and holiday gatherings where certain rituals and traditions are carried out. And then one day you find yourself married with a family and you decide to not only share grandpa's traditions with your children but to start some of your own that will have special meanings for your own family; or maybe to take grandpa's traditions and put your own personal stamp on them; or better yet maybe delete some of the more uncomfortable traditions and spare your children from them :) Traditions are also changed by necessity. In my life, alas, not only did individuals move away but the vast majority of my family passed on. That's just the way it works in some families and (IMHO) in business as well. We carry with us our personal experiences. And certainly the advent of technology has played a significant impact on how traditions are carried out and how we pass on information to others, struggling to keep it's original content and integrity intact. Nothing is lost, we just adapt for survival. JP _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Diane Goodman" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:14:19 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Traditions, traditions In wrapping up the discussion of "traditional TKD," I'd just like to say = that "traditional" is a loaded word that is often used as an excuse for a = multitude of sins. Just think of what comes to mind when you hear the = words "traditional family values" ... Diane ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:27:39 CDT Subject: the_dojang: Blisters - Ouch and Yuk! A good friend of mine that runs/walks and has recently started martial arts was in a great deal of pain from blisters. Here is an article and some links we found and so I share this with others that may be experiencing the same problems which occur all year long but seem to escalate in the hotter times of summer. They sure can hamper one's performance!!! http://walking.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa051198.htm JP _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Anders Torvill Bjorvand Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:18:57 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Belt Fees >Ken: I am a new TKDist. I have been training for 3 months. My first >belt test is in two weeks. Classes are $65.00/month. There are >classes available 5 days per week of which I attend 3. I just received >an information form for the belt test. The last line states the fee is >$50.00. Is that out of line? Is that normal? I don't know what's normal in the US (if anything is ......), but I would say that both the classes and the testing fee seems very expensive - probably twice what you should be paying. Sincerely, Anders Torvill Bjorvand ------------------------------ From: Michelle Fox Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:58:09 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #402 Ken, Costs will vary from city to city. For instance, I'm training in Bemidji, MN.... The cost per month is $35, and $35 for testing but as you get higher into the belts, the cost will increase. I would say your cost is reasonable, considering you can train every day of the week. Good luck with your testing! I'm testing for my purple trim next Tuesday. Michelle >From: Ken Ashworth >Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:49:07 -0500 >Subject: the_dojang: Belt Fees > >I am a new TKDist. I have been training for 3 months. My first >belt test is in two weeks. Classes are $65.00/month. There are >classes available 5 days per week of which I attend 3. I just received >an information form for the belt test. The last line states the fee is >$50.00. Is that out of line? Is that normal? > >Just geting started. >Ken ------------------------------ From: Pennyfoo@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:13:51 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Belt fees In a message dated 8/17/99 2:57:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I just received an information form for the belt test. The last line states the fee is $50.00. Is that out of line? >> I paid that 10 years ago for color belt testing, so I don't think it is out of line. Now I am training in a different system that advertises and charges No Testing Fees. CF ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:15:11 CDT Subject: the_dojang: Treating Sports Injuries of Children! I've read many posts over the last couple of years about the variety of sports injuries in adults (and have experienced quite a few myself). We've discussed how to treat them, the pain that occurs, hospitalization; sometimes surgery. To the parents and instructors online that have children or teach children; what is your experience with identifying sports injuries in your children/students in regular classes and if they are actively involved in competition? Do you think we have a tendency to brush off their injuries and take them more lightly because, well, they are kids and kids are resilient and heal quicker? Do you treat the child at home and make them stay out of class one or two times? Has anybody taken their child to a sports physician or chiropractor? Thanks, JP _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:33:53 CDT Subject: the_dojang: Who Do You Prefer? I was thinking after I did that last post on children and sports injures and I was wondering who do you prefer for treatment of injuries? Do you like chiropractors? Sports injury physicians? Physical Therapists? Massage Therapists? Others? And why? As always thanks for sharing? JP _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: CBAUGHN@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:35:54 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: In Good Company Hi Everyone, Just thought I'd let you know that we've joined the elite company of "Those Who've Been Banned From TKD-Net." Anyone up for a reunion/party? Sally CBAUGHN@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:40:51 CDT Subject: the_dojang: Dehydration and More FYI - Well this is a little personal story but considering the intense heat most of us were experiencing this summer it is also an appropriate headsup. 2 weeks ago I wound up in the ER for 7 hours. Went home... Back in the ER again and then into the hospital (Trust me, I'll spare the gorey details). Well 3 tabs of 500mg Vicudan in 1/2 hour didn't touch the pain so we went to morphene straight in with the IV for 2 days. Okay,, it wound up to be kidney stones. While talking with the specialist he told me he saw a new upward trend in the last few years in sports people that are allowing themselves to dehydrate during the summer. He said the number of them that then present that year or the next in the fall and winter months with kidney stones has significantly increased. Trust me, this is not something you want to experience. And so as I read about some of the intense workouts that some instructors continue to give during the summer without appropriate water breaks....please.. don't let yourself or your students dehydrate for many reasons. BTW children and teens can also form stones. JP _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:55:59 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest In a message dated 8/6/99 10:26:08 AM Mountain Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Those of us who practice under GM Son consider his style to be the true TKD. That is, a true self defence style with little emphasis on competition, bureaucracy and commercialism. Please don' t take this as a criticism of other forms of TKD. It is just different. >> Dear Mr. Cahill and Digest Readers, RE: "GM" Son Duk Sun's Federation Just wish to relate a long past experience: Sometime in the late 1970's I spied an ad in the New York Times promoting the World Championship of Taekwondo at the Felt Forum of Madison Square Garden !!! Being an avid taekwondo enthusiast who had never seen such an apparently high-level event in person, I bought a ($15) ticket...and about 7 more, for my dojang-mates. We carpooled the 4 hour trek from Binghamton, NY with great excitement which lasted right up to the moment when Master Son was introduced, literally, as "THE GREATEST MAN WHO EVER LIVED." Oh well, perhaps a mild exaggeration I thought, but what great devotion on the part of the student/announcer. What followed was one of the biggest disappointments in my 24 years of taekwondo. This "World Championship" turned out to be not much more than an over-hyped meet between the "...Greatest Man's" Manhattan club, and his Queens location. There were some incredibly rigid poomsae (forms) demonstrated, each move terminating with the striking/blocking hand being shaken up and down 2 or 3 inches, with an explanation that this was the "vibrational killing Ki-energy of Korean Karate." I may have forgotten, but I do not think there was even one round of sparring at this "World Championship," as it was explained: "The techniques of Korean Karate being far too deadly to be used against a living opponent." There was some kyuk-pa (breaking) demonstrated which was quite nice, and a few well choreographed HoSin-sool (self-defense) demonstrations too. in one, the defender dressed like an ultra-nerd with goofy red pants, and giant phony eyeglass frames. Quite amusing, but quite good techniques, too. By far, however, the most impressive part of the event was its over-billing and the fact that I spent all that time and money to see a sham "world championship." The friends I dragged along (and paid for) were equally as disappointed as I. Funny thing, when I first saw the ad, I immediately told my Sabomnin about it assuming he would be planning to attend. When he seemed to know nothing of the event, I became concerned that perhaps my master was perhaps out-of-the-loop, or worse yet, a phony. After all, how could he not know about a "World Championship" in a Korean sport in which he had claimed to have been a former 10 time Korean Champion. Thankfully, I got my relieving answer at the Felt Forum. I do not wish to imply Master Son was or is a phony, I know he is/was a wonderful senior martial artist, and Joon Ree's teacher, too. His event however was indeed a weak show with a phony title. Thankfully, today such titles are protected terms under the US and International Olympic Committees, and their member organizations. As a Post Script, Madison Squre Garden DID become the actual venue for the (real) World TKD Championships in 1993. This time, I bought two plane tickets from San Diego, but got more than my money's worth : ) Yours in taekwondo history, Master Silz ------------------------------ From: eirikr1@home.com Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:03:40 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: wrapping up in a Tao > From: Ray Terry > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:50:43 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: the_dojang: tradition > Ok folks... Time to quickly wrap up the thread on traditional Korean > martial arts. To sum up, I don't for a minute believe any of the KMA are descended, unchanged, from the(y're) creator over 2,000 years ago, *and* said creator was korean, *and* there is absolutely no jap or Chinese influence to be found. I do think some of the techniques can be traced (figuratively) back to pre-BC china, along with some of korea's (and Japan's) culture thrown in. Add the "flashy kick" emphasis (modern korea) and the sport emphasis (ancient korea) gives us something distinctively (trans-?) korean, that did not exist before, yet has a tradition stretching back pre-BC. ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:03:56 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #385 In a message dated 8/9/99 8:00:54 AM Mountain Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << According to the sources I've seen, the only clear contact between the Kanbukan and practitioners in Korea was Sang-sup Chun (the founder of the Ch'idokwan), who trained under Geka Yung at the Kanbukan during the Second World War. >> To Whom it May interest: For the record: Master Chun, Sang Sup, my "great-grandmaster" founded the Ji Do Kwan, literally, Wisdom Way Organization. Nothing to do with whatever the Ch'i do kwan may be, if anything other than a misspelling or misnomer. 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