From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #415 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sun, 22 Aug 1999 Vol 06 : Num 415 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #414 the_dojang: The Castle Law Re: the_dojang: The Castle Law the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #413 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #405 the_dojang: Re: Prices the_dojang: Re: Disciplining Children the_dojang: Interesting thought... the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~750 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LJSFLEM@aol.com Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:30:44 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #414 In a message dated 8/22/99 2:27:01 AM !!!First Boot!!!, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << entertaining manner when dealing with raving maniacs who are threatening >> Road rage maniacs. IMHO you took the best path. There is nothing wrong with fleeing. You are here to tell the tale. Lorraine ------------------------------ From: TaoArt@aol.com Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:51:30 EDT Subject: the_dojang: The Castle Law In a message dated 08/21/1999 10:24:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I'm not an attorney nor do I play one on TV, but consider the following... In Mass if someone breaks into your own house and attacks you and your family, you must do everything humanly possible to avoid the confrontation. You must leave your house via a window, if there is a window handy. >> Umm, I live in the good ol' state of taxachusetts and I believe that since the "Castle Law" came into effect some years ago that this is no longer true. According to the NRA certified firearms instructor who I took a course from about 3 years ago, you are not required to retreat from your home. Meghan Gardner Instructor Director AMWA http://users.aol.com/taoart/amwa/amwa.htm - A Comprehensive Martial Arts and Self Defense website: With an online bookstore, public bulletin board, articles, and over 1000 links. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: The Castle Law > << I'm not an attorney nor do I play one on > TV, but consider the following... In Mass if someone breaks into your own > house and attacks you and your family, you must do everything humanly > possible > to avoid the confrontation. You must leave your house via a window, if there > is a window handy. >> > > Umm, I live in the good ol' state of taxachusetts and I believe that since > the "Castle Law" came into effect some years ago that this is no longer true. > According to the NRA certified firearms instructor who I took a course from > about 3 years ago, you are not required to retreat from your home. Could very well be, my Massachusetts info is from Massad Ayoob and is now 7 years old. But don't trust your friendly certified firearms instructor (I'm a certified firearms instructor and one step up, a certified training counselor). We aren't the penal code experts (although I get a new copy every year of the CA penal code), the 'friend of the court' we have to bring into the class knows that stuff... BTW, there is a company named Gould that sells copies of the penal codes. They sell it for a state on disk so that you can keyword search it via PC. But I think the penal codes are also available free somewhere on the web. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:19:25 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #413 In a message dated 8/21/99 7:48:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << AOL seems to have some preset limit as to how large an email can be before it requires you to do a download before reading with your favorite word processor. AOL's limit seems to be 20 or 25 or 30K, somewhere in there.?. Other ISPs don't seem to have such a limit. So, when a large issue of the digest is sent out (exceeding the aforementioned limit), AOL users will have to download and read using whatever word processor you'd typically use. >> I see ... no problem ... I just avoid downloading anything ... can't afford any bugs in this machine is all. Thanks for the info. Illona ------------------------------ From: MissIllona@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:05:18 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #405 In a message dated 8/18/99 11:23:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I just received an information form for the belt test. The last line states the fee is $50.00. Is that out of line? Is that normal? >> >> Wow, I don't know about anyone else but here in California (in the desert) that would be a high price to pay for a belt test fee. I have heard of $35 ... (we charge $25) ... but not $50 unless they were going for Recommended Black Belt or something. Illona ------------------------------ From: CBAUGHN@aol.com Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 01:39:14 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Prices kadin goldberg wrote: << about the 300-500 $ / month for testing for a black belt, isnt that alot just to get a belt??? Can't you just not train for belts for awhile and just learn new stuff??? Why must you pay 300-500 $ just so you can say the you are a black belt. Now i am not in any martial arts yet so i dont know much, but in my opinion that is a bit rediculase. >> I think the price is a one-time cost for the black belt test, i.e., $300 for a 1st Dan, $500 for a 2nd Dan, etc. Most of the monthly prices average $50-$75. The gup testing I believe to range about the same as the monthly prices, more or less, with the testing occuring every 2 to 3 months. As for not training for belts and just learning new stuff -- think about it from a business standpoint. Would a person who is paying every time a belt test comes up and progressing thru the belt ranks want to continue paying if he/she saw another student who never tested and just paid the monthly fee but got to share in all the same training? NOT! If you think martial arts training should be free to you, without belts or promotions, just the "love of the art," and can find an instructor who agrees with you, I'd say go for it. I just think most schools couldn't stay in business that way. Sally cbaughn@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:02:41 CDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Disciplining Children I just posted the thread on disciplining children and would like to add one more thought to take it a step further. Do you think that martial arts schools (as a whole) have the mindset today that ALL children coming into the dojang are in need of much more discipline and that's why their parents enroll them? Many of the m.a. schools do indeed get children that need much discipline but some of the children don't. I realize it's also a tenet of most schools. But recognizing that m.a. instructors deal so much with children in need; do you think we respond to all children in like? Also thank you to those that responded to my original post. I look forward to more discussion on this topic. JP _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: "Jamaica Power" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:54:28 CDT Subject: the_dojang: Interesting thought... Right after the traditional thread died down I heard the following on the radio... "Traditions fade away but legends live on forever." This one really had me thinking. And I'm not trying to bring up the traditional thread. I thought about this for a long time and then agreed with it. We often remember people, or individual names and perhaps a story or two about them but not the true tradition from which they originated; unless you're a historian. The majority of people will remember just the names and that these people were something else but that's all, like Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris etc., etc., etc. JP _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #415 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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