From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #417 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 23 Aug 1999 Vol 06 : Num 417 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: Breaks the_dojang: Re: Breaking the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #412 the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #416 - Soaps - Contracts the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #414 the_dojang: Stealth Camp the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #415 the_dojang: $0.02 RE: Kumite Tourneys the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #416 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #416 the_dojang: Call for Lawyer the_dojang: Re: V6 #416: test break the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~750 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Gordon Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:41:56 GMT Subject: the_dojang: RE: Breaks First, is soaps, as in soap bars??? Never heard of those... For my 2nd Dan test, I need to break 2 blocks. Try those or alot of boards; 5 or 6. maybe. Combination breaks do well too. - -- David, 1st Dan, TKD ------------------------------ From: dbuehrer@denver.carl.org Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:56:33 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Breaking \ From: Julie Jezek \ \ I am trying to come up with a break to do for my second degree test. \ The only requirements that I have been given are: \ 1) impress the judges \ 2) you must break \ I have been thinking about cement blocks, soaps, but I am looking for \ something that is not a normal break that others will be doing. I am \ testing with two other people, both older, heavier males, and they are \ doing 3-4 soaps, but I a female, 17 year old, want to be able to have a \ break that wuld look just as good as theirs, however so far I have not \ been able to break that many soaps. \ \ Any suggestions would be nice!! How about a combination sequence of breaks that showcase a variety of strikes/kicks and movement? For example, you could arrange board holders in a circle around you with the boards placed so that you start off with an overhand to the left, elbow to the right, step across side kick to the left, turn around high forward jump kick, etc. Break your soaps blindfolded. um... that's all I've got. Anyone else? - -David Buehrer - -- Supervisor, Database Preparation The UnCover Company mailto:dbuehrer@denver.carl.org - -- - -- "The battles that count aren't the ones for gold medals. The struggles within yourself; the invisible, inevitable battles inside all of us; that's where it's at." - -Jesse Owens ------------------------------ From: "Michael Sarles" Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:07:52 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #412 > From: RUlibarri1@aol.com > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:42:54 EDT > Subject: the_dojang: Taekwondo in Kumite > > I am a Taekwondo student interested in competing in kumite karate point > tournaments. While I have had great success in WTF Taekwondo > tournaments, I am finding my training lacking for kumite rules. > > Last week I entered a karate point tournament and was promptly > eliminated in the first round, 3 points to 1 in the brown belt division. Same > story for my first kumite tournament in 1996. It happened so fast, I didn't > even break a sweat, which I am used to doing in kyorugi. > > Here are some obvious differences between kumite and kyorugi: > Kumite allows punches to the face and head (and groin in this tourney) while > TKD disallows punching the head. Kyorugi is in rounds, while kumite matches > stop after a point is scored and opponents are reset. In kumite most points > are scored with punches to the head while TKD is mostly scored with kicks to > the body and head. > > Now I know to be successful I have to spar kumite style and I > plan to find a place to do so. But the matches go by so fast it's hard to say if proper > technique is being used. For example, my opponent simply jumped up and > toward me while swinging his arms around my guard and he struck > my head with a grazing blow. POINT. The technique was fast, so fast I hadn't > expected it, and I plan to practice speed training, but I just don't know > what to say about it. Ray, I too had the same problem fighting in non-tkd type tournaments. I also think that there is a little bias against tkd'ers coming into some open tournaments. It's amazing that (like you stated) that a grazing, poorly thrown, bent wrist punch to the head will outpoint a side kick that knocks somebody back a couple of feet. Curious.... Anyway...a couple of things that I did with my tkd was to have a workout buddy of mine start holding pads for me (boxing target pads) and he would moving around the room holding the pads so that I had 2 targets to shoot at ie... jab/cross, hook/hook, hook/uppercut, etc. combinations. We would also do this with kicks and then lastly with both kicks and punches. I HARDLY EVER RESORTED TO REVERSE KICKS. I found that many times they were too slow. The person had time to watch my reverse leg come around so they could block it. I really, Really, REALLY worked on lead leg kicks. I feel they work like a jab in boxing. You never go for the knock out punch with a jab...but a well placed jab opens up the opportunity for something much more devastating. Oh yeah...my partner would only hold the targets in a set position for 2 seconds (at first...when I got better, it became 1 second) before moving them again. If I missed my opportunity...oh well...I just had to work on getting faster. I also got a double-end bag and some 3lbs weights for my hands. I worked on clean punches (jab/cross) that moved the ball straight back (instead of bouncing all over the place) to make sure my punches were moving in nice and straight. I would do a drill like this, first right hand forward, then left for about 5 minutes each side. Then I would do 5 minutes again letting the ball bounce all over the place while trying to hit it as it moved. Aggravating at first, but soon you start reacting to hitting it without really thinking about it. Lastly, I would drop the weights and do the whole routine all over again. Without the weight, your hands feel like they are just shooting all over the place very quickly. I found these little drills helped my timing as well as feeling comfortable in using both my hands and my feet. Michael Sarles msarles@ior.com ------------------------------ From: Chris McKenna Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:55:17 +0100 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #416 - Soaps - Contracts > > From: Julie Jezek wrote - > I have been thinking about cement blocks, soaps, but I am looking for > something that is not a normal break that others will be doing. I am > testing with two other people, both older, heavier males, and they are > doing 3-4 soaps, but I a female, 17 year old, want to be able > to have a > break that wuld look just as good as theirs, however so far I have not > been able to break that many soaps. "Soaps!!??" I feel that I am missing something....what is/are soaps?? also Brett wrote - . We have a > big facility > with a a padded floor, 2 ssaraubis, a dozen wavemaster heavy > bags, lots of > equipment, mens and womens dressing rooms with 3 showers in > each. It is > a state of the art facility, with great instructors (myself > included :) >> Your school sounds great place to train ( What are Saraubis??), so its no wonder that people would pay a contract. I heard about some school owners who set up DirectDebits\Standing Orders at the bank to pay directly into the Black Belts accounts, Anyone else do it that way! Also there were these two instructors charging 5 british pounds (About 10 ish american dollars)for a month's training fees, for kids under eight! They were wondering why they weren't making any money at all! Chris McKenna GTF Scotland ------------------------------ From: Michelle Fox Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:59:40 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #414 Kamsahamnida, Oh, my ego was definitely hurt. I know that I could've done some damage to them, but that is not the reason why I got into MA. Discipline, Inner Strength, etc.... I come from a place where if you look another female in the eye for too long, expect a fight. That is the way it is. It's funny, cause it reminds me of how dogs are, when you look at them in the eyes, it's like a challenge. I've never walked away from a fight until I got into Tae Kwon Do. Speaking of which I'm a much calmer person because of Tae Kwon Do, and I'm more fit than I have ever been. I guess I am more at peace than I was before. If I have a bad day, and it's time for class, I can take out all of my frustration on the bags and pads. I feel much better afterwards, walking away with a clearer mind. Michelle Michelle, For me, it is certainly harder on my ego to walk away from a possible confrontation. If I didn't have any MA training, I probably would have walked away just out of fear and self-preservation. However, with MA knowledge, I tend to think that these sort of situations are one of the reasons I take MA training in the first place. I should be very thankful that I have never been forced to fight. Kamsahamnida. ------------------------------ From: Greg Giddins Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:26:59 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Stealth Camp Hi all. Just wanted to share a GREAT weekend experience with everyone. We had "Ninja Camp '99" up in the mountains Friday-Sunday. This was my instructors 6th or 7th "Ninja Camp" (we use that name, he hates it, prefers "Stealth Camp",but hey, gotta have a little fun at his expense now and then, haa haa) and it went very very well. It was my 3rd camp in 7 years, my first as a Dan Member/Team Leader. Camped out at about 8000 feet deep in the Colorado Rockies, had about 25 people, 8 or 9 tents, looked like some kind of Militia Convention, except we were carrying bokken and bo, instead of shotguns and AR-15's. Had 10 or 12 rounds of capture the flag- some empty hand, some with weapons, and a couple stealth exercises (deep in the weeds on our bellies) over 2 days. Had some good pouring rain during the stealth runs, which really helped quite a bit with the sneaking, although got pretty cold after a while. Had only one minor injury, and nobody left without a smile. Although I am a little on the achey side today...:-) The few junior members participated in most of the exercises, and they had a wonderful time. They seemed to really enjoy the stealth training, as they really weren't looking forward to fighting adults in open terrain, haa haa. Anyway, Ninja camp was great, and I highly reccomend outdoors training to any and all out there. It not only adds a little realism to your training, but really draws the group together, and regular class is never the same afterwards. Greg Giddins ggiddins@corp.webb.net "Natives who beat drums to drive off evil spirits are objects of scorn to smart Americans who blow horns to break up traffic jams." Mary Ellen Kelly ------------------------------ From: Michelle Fox Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:27:28 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #415 Jamacia, Here's a story about discipline. It's true, it happened last year. I was getting ready for TKD class, and the younger kids were just getting done. I was talking to one of the mothers and she told me the story about her boy that was a red belt. The Master Instructor always talks about maintaining a good positive attitude inside and outside of class. The young boy, "Jerry", was not listening. The Power Rangers had been giving demonstrations at the mall and at the schools. Jerry happened to be at the mall or school (I don't remember which one it was) one day to watch the Power Rangers. Jerry, was with his friends and started taunting one of the Rangers. To Jerry's surprise, the Ranger took off his helmet and there was the Master Instructor dressed up as the Ranger. The Master Instructor is a 5th degree black belt, and 3rd degree in Kum Do..... Immediately the Master Instructor disciplined him right there in front of everyone and made an example out of Jerry. Jerry sure learned his lesson. M >I just posted the thread on disciplining children and would like to add one >more thought to take it a step further. Do you think that martial arts >schools (as a whole) have the mindset today that ALL children coming into >the dojang are in need of much more discipline and that's why their parents >enroll them? > >Many of the m.a. schools do indeed get children that need much discipline >but some of the children don't. I realize it's also a tenet of most >schools. But recognizing that m.a. instructors deal so much with children >in need; do you think we respond to all children in like? > >Also thank you to those that responded to my original post. I look forward >to more discussion on this topic. > >JP ------------------------------ From: "Michael Sarles" Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:51:16 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: $0.02 RE: Kumite Tourneys - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Sarles [mailto:msarles@ior.com] Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 8:08 AM To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #412 > From: RUlibarri1@aol.com > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:42:54 EDT > Subject: the_dojang: Taekwondo in Kumite > > I am a Taekwondo student interested in competing in kumite karate point > tournaments. While I have had great success in WTF Taekwondo > tournaments, I am finding my training lacking for kumite rules. > > Last week I entered a karate point tournament and was promptly > eliminated in the first round, 3 points to 1 in the brown belt division. Same > story for my first kumite tournament in 1996. It happened so fast, I didn't > even break a sweat, which I am used to doing in kyorugi. > > Here are some obvious differences between kumite and kyorugi: > Kumite allows punches to the face and head (and groin in this tourney) while > TKD disallows punching the head. Kyorugi is in rounds, while kumite matches > stop after a point is scored and opponents are reset. In kumite most points > are scored with punches to the head while TKD is mostly scored with kicks to > the body and head. > > Now I know to be successful I have to spar kumite style and I > plan to find a place to do so. But the matches go by so fast it's hard to say if proper > technique is being used. For example, my opponent simply jumped up and > toward me while swinging his arms around my guard and he struck > my head with a grazing blow. POINT. The technique was fast, so fast I hadn't > expected it, and I plan to practice speed training, but I just don't know > what to say about it. Ray, I too had the same problem fighting in non-tkd type tournaments. I also think that there is a little bias against tkd'ers coming into some open tournaments. It's amazing that (like you stated) that a grazing, poorly thrown, bent wrist punch to the head will outpoint a side kick that knocks somebody back a couple of feet. Curious.... Anyway...a couple of things that I did with my tkd was to have a workout buddy of mine start holding pads for me (boxing target pads) and he would moving around the room holding the pads so that I had 2 targets to shoot at ie... jab/cross, hook/hook, hook/uppercut, etc. combinations. We would also do this with kicks and then lastly with both kicks and punches. I HARDLY EVER RESORTED TO REVERSE KICKS. I found that many times they were too slow. The person had time to watch my reverse leg come around so they could block it. I really, Really, REALLY worked on lead leg kicks. I feel they work like a jab in boxing. You never go for the knock out punch with a jab...but a well placed jab opens up the opportunity for something much more devastating. Oh yeah...my partner would only hold the targets in a set position for 2 seconds (at first...when I got better, it became 1 second) before moving them again. If I missed my opportunity...oh well...I just had to work on getting faster. I also got a double-end bag and some 3lbs weights for my hands. I worked on clean punches (jab/cross) that moved the ball straight back (instead of bouncing all over the place) to make sure my punches were moving in nice and straight. I would do a drill like this, first right hand forward, then left for about 5 minutes each side. Then I would do 5 minutes again letting the ball bounce all over the place while trying to hit it as it moved. Aggravating at first, but soon you start reacting to hitting it without really thinking about it. Lastly, I would drop the weights and do the whole routine all over again. Without the weight, your hands feel like they are just shooting all over the place very quickly. I found these little drills helped my timing as well as feeling comfortable in using both my hands and my feet. Michael Sarles msarles@ior.com ------------------------------ From: LJSFLEM@aol.com Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:04:10 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #416 In a message dated 8/23/99 2:25:41 PM !!!First Boot!!!, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << To tell ya the truth, I cant afford that. I am a kid and my parents would never give that much money. They could hardly pay the $30 / month for me to train. Just to do something for fun i dont think i am going to try and raise 300$. That my friend is not fun to me. - ---kadin >> I first started my son on a trial basic for a few weeks at $100. He was allowed to go as many times as he wanted, mostly 3 times a week was the average. He was 8 and I as a parent did not look at MA as strictly fun. My brother and my niece are both in MA and have been for many years. There is self esteem, self confidence, discipline. Your mind becomes clearer and you can focus much better on what you need to do. Your school work should get bettter as well. I would have been grateful to pay only $30 monthly. There are years ahead before Black Belt testing to worry about the $300-500 cost. You need not test just because the instructor says you are ready. I have seen fees waived when new students were brought in and others paid slowly. When I started as an adult at the age of 48 i was not thinking about the belt rankings. I viewed MA as a way to put my mind and body back together after a serious auto accident. I can only say that the belts become pretty exciting as you learn new things and see what you have accomplished with you body. I lookd at the BB test fee of $500 as a big chunk also and have been to schools that charge $1000. You are not my child, but if you have the opportunity to train and your parents are willing to pay the $30 give it all you've got. I would not, however, sign any contracts just in case I wanted to get out. Best of luck in your MA decision. Lorraine ------------------------------ From: LJSFLEM@aol.com Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:10:08 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #416 In a message dated 8/23/99 2:25:41 PM !!!First Boot!!!, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << equipment, mens and womens dressing rooms with 3 showers in each. >> Wow, I paid close to that amount for my 8 year old and there were no showers or even a water cooler. The building had AC but they did not use it very often. Glad I'm still looking. Lorraine ------------------------------ From: MRowe@ids.sitel.net Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:28:01 GMT Subject: the_dojang: Call for Lawyer Are there any lawyer's out there that give me a hand. I need a contract drawn up for rights and permissions to use a trademarked name and logo in a marital arts book I'm working on. I had a lawyer that was doing this for me but apparently they became too busy to bother with me. ( I have been waiting until Please responde to me privately at mrowe@ids.sitel.net ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #416: test break Julie wrote: >I am >testing with two other people, both older, heavier males, and they are >doing 3-4 soaps, but I a female, 17 year old, want to be able to have a >break that wuld look just as good as theirs, however so far I have not >been able to break that many soaps. Well, if those are really the only requirements, particularly if there is no minimum number/thickness for the object to be broken, or a requirement for a hand or a foot technique, you have quite a lot of latitude;>) Assuming the men you will test with are larger and stronger (and probably older;>) than you, I suggest that your advantage may lie in speed, and I'd suggest you consider taking advantage of that by doing a speed break of some kind. Spinning and/or jumping kick breaks are what usually seem to impress (beyond the sheer thickness of the object, anyway). If you want something really different, you might want to find a copy of Master Richard Byrne's breaking book, which shows techniques for glass bottles and real rocks;>) PS - I've never seen soaps done - could you share with us how that works? === Tang Soo! Scott ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #417 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in pub/the_dojang/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, California Taekwondo Standard disclaimers apply.