From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #430 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 30 Aug 1999 Vol 06 : Num 430 In this issue: the_dojang: Injuries? the_dojang: Rebreakable boards for wimpy folks :-) the_dojang: ITC vs. ITF? the_dojang: Tang Soo/Soo Bahk the_dojang: Re: Spirituality West and East the_dojang: Chon-Ji Pattern Set the_dojang: Re: Injuries in MA the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~750 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:55:53 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Injuries? I agree that injuries can and do occur in the dojang (been there, done that). However, I also believe that in teaching and monitoring control that the number and severity of injuries can be reduced. An instructor should be aware of the current mind-set of their students and catch a situation *before* it occurs! In the flurry of techniques, accidents DO happen, but if a student is overly agressive on a given night, it is an instructor's duty to make sure they do not hurt another student! This, of course, is my opinion, and in practice, it DOES work to reduce injuries! In the spirit of TKD......... Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com ------------------------------ From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:43:37 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Rebreakable boards for wimpy folks :-) Melinda, <> I don't know. They do seem a bit thin, but I haven't measured them. The kids sure love'em though. Later, Mac TANG SOO! ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: ITC vs. ITF? I recently received a packet of information from Grandmaster Chang Jim Kang (9th Dan) about his Internation Taekwondo Council, based in Sacramento, California. The ITC was formed in 1993 and it and GM Kang were written up last year in the Sept 98 issue of TKD Times. They seem to use the ITF's gup and dan forms as well as the WTF dan forms. My question is how or do they fit into the ITF/USTF/KATU orgs? Ray Terry rterry@best.com ------------------------------ From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:14:56 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Tang Soo/Soo Bahk Melinda, <> Tang Soo means "Tang hand", Tang being the Tang dynasty of China. Generally translated as "China hand", the characters in Japanese equate to "Kara-Te", the old characters for it most commonly used in Okanawan Karate, where the Japanese use another character "kara" meaning empty. "Soo Bahk" translates to "hand strike" (I'm pretty sure). This was the ancient name used for Korean martial arts. As soon as GM Hwang Kee found this out from reading the Moo Yi Dobo Tong Ji, he renamed his art to Soo Bahk Do and incorporated under that name in the late 1950's. Interesting, the Moo Duk Kwan has been known in the arts of Hwa Soo Do, Tang Soo Do, Soo Bahk Do, Tae Soo Do and Tae Kwon Do. Confused bunch, aren't they? :-) Mac TANG SOO! ------------------------------ From: dbuehrer@denver.carl.org Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:36:28 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Spirituality West and East \ From: Ken Ashworth \ \ Ken wrote: \ \ > The spirituality I take care of in non-Eastern ways. In fact I am careful \ \ not \ \ > to mix the spiritual side of MA in my life. \ \ David wrote: \ >I don't understand. What is it about MA spirituality that conflicts with \ >Western philosophy? \ \ Western religions look outside of ourselves to find truth. \ Eastern religions look inward to find truth. \ \ I hope I'm not simplifying that too much. That is just one side of the \ spirituality of MA \ I try to keep from interfering with my beliefs. Simple is good :) And I understand now. I am tempted to continue, but know that any religious/mystical discussion would stray _way_ off topic. \ So much more power comes from being relaxed. Yet again something that my mind knows, but I'm still trying to teach my body :) - -David Buehrer - -- Supervisor, Database Preparation The UnCover Company mailto:dbuehrer@denver.carl.org - -- - -- "Take the time to laugh, it's the music of the soul." ------------------------------ From: Mo Smith Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Chon-Ji Pattern Set Does anybody know of any good references, either on-line or in a book, for the Chon-ji forms set? I'm really looking for something that has good thumbnail views of the forms for a quick reference. Thanks, Mo __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Alexander, Stephen (Nexfor)" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:20:40 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Injuries in MA Stan Lim wrote: >>I just had to chime in here as what Master Silz says is absolutely true. I've had 3 major injuries (11 stitches on my right foot, broken left arm, and mangled right knee), and I've only managed to reach 3rd Kup. During sparring practice, I got hit by a roundhouse once that left me unable to eat for 3 days because my jaw was so sore. Twice, and by the same guy, I got kicked in the chest at full force that hurt so much, I though I had broken ribs (luckily, not). I don't even remember how many bad cuts, torn tissue, sprains, bruises, pulled muscles etc. << Holy S#!!^ batman!!! Jeezzz Stan, at that rate your going, you'll be dead, or at least in a wheel chair before you get to B.B. (:-o I agree that injuries happen in sparring, like bruises, torn ligaments and twisted joints etc. but when you get broken bones and stitches and the like, I think you have got to question whether there is not a problem with the safety at your school. I also agree with Master Silz in that small injuries are a fact of life with the TKD, but I think that broken bones and mangled knees leaves me with the thought that there is not *much* thought being put into the students welfare at your school. I know you mentioned that the mishaps you had were all accidents, lack of control or whatnot, but what does your instructor do when something like this occurs? I'm curious Master Silz, do you think it is really good mental strengthening to have a student sit out of class for 3 months because they have a broken arm, or hand??? FWIW Steve Alexander Student of the Martial Arts. War never decides who is right, only who is left. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #430 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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