From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #431 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 30 Aug 1999 Vol 06 : Num 431 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: Chon-Ji Pattern Set the_dojang: ATA?? the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #429 the_dojang: Re: Injuries in MA the_dojang: Unsure of what to do Re: the_dojang: Unsure of what to do the_dojang: injury the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~750 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anders Torvill Bjorvand Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:28:43 +0200 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Chon-Ji Pattern Set >Mo: Does anybody know of any good references, either >on-line or in a book, for the Chon-ji forms set? I'm >really looking for something that has good thumbnail >views of the forms for a quick reference. The definitive reference is the Legacy 4 CD-ROM set from the ITF. It can be bought at www.comdo.com. Sincerely, Anders Torvill Bjorvand ------------------------------ From: "VJ Mitchell" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 14:28:19 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: ATA?? I have been watching for some time know and I am curious. I am a practitioner of Songahm Taekwondo and a member of the American Taekwondo Association (ATA). I am curious about the thoughts and opinions you all have about Songahm relative to the other styles of Taekwondo. VJ Mitchell Optical Gaging Products, Inc. vjmitchell@uswest.net ------------------------------ From: AJ Newlands Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:17:47 +1000 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #429 > =09No intent to flame here, but Force =3D Mass x Acceleration, not Mass > x Velocity^2. Force _is_ proportional to M x V^2 in rotational motion, but > care must be taken to properly define the system. (Actually, force is the > time rate of change of momentum, but the mass of an isolated system during > the course of a technique does not change so the term with the derivative > (sp?) of mass with respect to time is zero and all that's left is a term > with mass times acceleration.) Acceleration is the rate of change of > velocity with respect to time. > > > =09=09=09=09=09-Keep kickin' > =09=09=09=09=09 -G > > > \ > I don't mystify MA. I can break a board because of physics (Force = > =3D > > Mass \ X Velocity(Sq)). \ > If my fist is conditioned to the force Yes, in fact it is E(kinetic) = mv^2 rather than force. ------------------------------ From: Stan Lim Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 16:51:43 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Injuries in MA >From: "Alexander, Stephen (Nexfor)" > >Holy S#!!^ batman!!! Jeezzz Stan, at that rate your going, you'll be dead, >or at least in a wheel chair before you get to B.B. (:-o Maybe I'll be the first student to get a BB AFTER I gone, but I sure hope not. >I agree that injuries happen in sparring, like bruises, torn ligaments and >twisted joints etc. but when you get broken bones and stitches and the >like, I think you have got to question whether there is not a problem with >the safety at your school. I also agree with Master Silz in that small >injuries are a fact of life with the TKD, but I think that broken bones and >mangled knees leaves me with the thought that there is not *much* thought >being put into the students welfare at your school. I know you mentioned >that the mishaps you had were all accidents, lack of control or whatnot, but >what does your instructor do when something like this occurs? Actually, all my major injuries (i.e. stitches, broken bones and twisted knee) were accidents that happened without the instructors around. It was mostly my own fault. Also, all 3 injuries happened over a span of years, under different schools: - - Stitches in 1985, while doing ITF-TKD, - - Broken arm in 1986, while doing Karate ... long break in between... - - Twisted knee in 1998, sparring in a TKD tournament. I don't hold my instructors responsible for my accidents. I should have been more careful in the first 2 cases, but I was a teenager. (That's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it) The last and most recent injury, well, nobody can figure out what happened even after we all watched the video of my slip, twist and fall. #!@%&* happens. In my experience, I'd always prefer to have my instructors there when injuries occur because they tend to know what to do. In cases where others were injured, they were usually able to render immediate aid. My experiences are not typical for a martial artist. I'm just on the wrong side of the gaussian bell curve for injuries. It's a painful job, but somebody's got to keep those averages up :-) Kamsahamnida. Stan Lim WTF-TKD, San Jose, CA ------------------------------ From: "Jim Nakashima" Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 17:09:48 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Unsure of what to do Hi Everyone, Here's my situation. Currently, I am training with an instructor who believes that the emotional development of a person is just as or even more important than the physical development in the martial arts. I recently had a talk with him and he explained that he feels that I am too competitive and carry myself with too much ego. I do concede that ego and competitiveness are traits of mine and I am working to be more humble and to be more okay with losing. I just want to state so that it's clear that I am reasonable about things, I always try 110% and I don't go and injure other students or disrespect anyone. I have simply expressed disappointment when I lose a match or get frustrated and a little upset when I think that the situation is unfair. It's nothing drastic and he doesn't see me as a disruption. What he does feel is that it is my "work" to be more humble. The major problem I have is that he is holding back my next belt ranking (camo belt which is 6 kup or equivalent to green belt in WTF TKD) because he feels that although I am physically ready that the belt will feed my ego. The thing that bothers me is that I want to continue to grow in my TKD and I feel like I am being held back. I am trying to change the way I am about my competitiveness and that but the main reason I take martial arts is for my physical improvment. I would also like to mention that when I was in University, I trained with a university club and reached the level of blue belt (4 kup). The color of my belt doesn't matter but what really does matter is that I don't get to train and learn the material of the higher belts. I know I need to work on my emotional development and it is and has been something I've always been working on but at the same time I want to advance my training and get better in the physical aspects of martial arts. That is what I find the most fun and the main reason I am in martial arts. I would really appreciate your honest opinions about my situation. I respect all that you have to say and I can't think of a better source of opinions. Thank you, Jim ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Unsure of what to do > The color of my belt doesn't matter but what really does matter is that I > don't get to train and learn the material of the higher belts. Jim, hopefully others will also chime in, but please allow me to offer the following hopefully not too boring story... When I was in TKD back in Bloomington, Illinois, we had a highly talented 2nd Dan in the school. He was a great TKD fighter, proving same at the national level, excellent forms, was at that time also a 1st gup in Hapkido, he had springs in his legs like a NBA player. You name it, if it required extreme athletic ability, it was easy for him. An especially talented green belt (no not me, I was never especially talented) mentioned to him in passing that the green belt material was not sufficiently challenging. To which Randy answered, "That's funny, I still need to work on my front kick, one of these days I hope to learn to do it correctly." My point? Take the time to slow down and -really- learn the material. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: injury On the topic of injury, a good friend of mine badly blew out a knee in Shotokan. Now, he'd love to tell you that is was from sparring or self-defense practice, but no... He blew it out practicing kata (poomse/hyung/forms). It was summer, they were on the grass, and his foot stuck to the ground instead of sliding like he was used to inside the studio. As Mr. Lim said, s%!t can and does happen... 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