From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #432 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 31 Aug 1999 Vol 06 : Num 432 In this issue: the_dojang: ITF forms the_dojang: nit picking the_dojang: Re: tang...soo....bahk the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #429 the_dojang: Re: board holders for wimps ;) the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #431 the_dojang: Taebo in Korea? the_dojang: Re: Injuries in MA/Stan Lim Re: the_dojang: Re: Injuries in MA/Stan Lim the_dojang: Re: Unsure of what to do the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #431 the_dojang: Re: Unsure of what to do ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~750 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: ITF forms > Subject: the_dojang: Re: Chon-Ji Pattern Set > > >Mo: Does anybody know of any good references, either > >on-line or in a book, for the Chon-ji forms set? I'm > >really looking for something that has good thumbnail > >views of the forms for a quick reference. > > The definitive reference is the Legacy 4 CD-ROM set from the ITF. > It can be bought at www.comdo.com. I gotta agree with Anders. The Legacy CD-Rom set is truly excellent. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: El Bandito Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:44:26 +0100 (BST) Subject: the_dojang: nit picking > Yes, in fact it is E(kinetic) =3D mv^2 rather than force.=20 Just to pick a nit, kinetic energy is equal to (1/2)(mv^2). Although, in physics, we tend to just blow multiplicative factors off when we're only interested in looking at how a quantity/function depends on variables, such as m or v in this case. Zero-G (BTW, I think my posts come through with weird formatting, but I'll be switching accounts soon so I won't bother messing with this infernal devil box for now.) _________________________________________________________________________= ___ Garth C. Robins =B7 6E Portugal St. =B7 Cambridge CB5 8AP =B7 United K= ingdom (+44) (0)1223 525-410 =B7 www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~robins ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:49:56 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: tang...soo....bahk In a message dated 8/30/99 7:06:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Dear Melinda, Hopefully I have answered your question re: TSD. As to Soo Bahk, that gives me a chance to plug my site. >> thanks andrew. ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:51:24 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #429 In a message dated 8/30/99 7:06:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Melinda, Tang Soo Do translates to "way of the Chinese hand" with Soo meaning "hand" and Tang coming from the Tang dynasty. Some have also translated it as "way of the knife hand". Soo Bahk Do translates to "hand strike way". >> thanks cliff! ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:59:07 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: board holders for wimps ;) In a message dated 8/30/99 2:15:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I don't know. They do seem a bit thin, but I haven't measured them. The kids sure love'em though. >> thanks mac! ------------------------------ From: AJ Newlands Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:19:22 +1000 (EST) Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #431 > > care must be taken to properly define the system. (Actually, force is the > > time rate of change of momentum, but the mass of an isolated system during > > the course of a technique does not change so the term with the derivative > > (sp?) of mass with respect to time is zero and all that's left is a term > > with mass times acceleration.) Acceleration is the rate of change of > > velocity with respect to time. > > > > > > =09=09=09=09=09-Keep kickin' > > =09=09=09=09=09 -G > > > > > \ > I don't mystify MA. I can break a board because of physics (Force = > > =3D > > > Mass \ X Velocity(Sq)). \ > If my fist is conditioned to the force > > Yes, in fact it is E(kinetic) = mv^2 rather than force. > Heh heh before anyone flames my ass... I should have said 2E = mv^2 or E = (1/2)mv^2 ........ ooops. Maybe someday it might be interesting to try and apply something like the Tresca's yield criterion to a standard board and Von Mises to a tile and compare the actual amount of work required to break them vs the percieved relative difficulty of the breaks. Someday when the pubs are closed anyway :) ------------------------------ From: Andrew Pratt Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:36:05 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: Taebo in Korea? Dear members, On Saturday, there was an item on the KBS(?) evening news on 'boxing and aerobics.' There were shots of leotarded females bouncing round throwing their arms out in front of themselves in a pale imitation of boxing. Any ways, the article went on to talk about Taebo, including clips of 'TV mutants' with the comment that Taebo was TKD with aerobics. Perhaps it won't be long before Taebo invades Korea! YOurs, Andrew ------------------------------ From: "Lasich, Mark D." Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:12:25 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Injuries in MA/Stan Lim Your comment: "Actually, all my major injuries (i.e. stitches, broken bones and twisted knee) were accidents that happened without the instructors around. It was mostly my own fault. Also, all 3 injuries happened over a span of years, under different schools:" Surprises me. No disrespect, but in the ATA, and no student is 'allowed' to spar without the direct supervision of an instructor. Also, at the Gup level, no student is allowed to spar without all required safety gear (boots, gloves, headgear, mouthpiece and cup for the guys). A bit restrictive you think? Perhaps, but as someone else just pointed out, it is hard to learn and grow in TDK, or any MA, if you have to sit out for months recovering from an injury. Now I am not saying that sparring outside these guidelines does not happen, but with integrity and respect for your style, not many students find this guideline overly restrictive! In the spirit of TKD......... Mark.Lasich@alcoa.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:02:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Re: Injuries in MA/Stan Lim > Surprises me. No disrespect, but in the ATA, and no student is 'allowed' to > spar without the direct supervision of an instructor. ??? Students aren't allowed to workout on their own, with their friends? Seems like it would be difficult to stop... Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: dbuehrer@denver.carl.org Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 07:58:12 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Unsure of what to do \ From: "Jim Nakashima" \ \ Hi Everyone, Hi Jim, \ Here's my situation. Currently, I am training with an instructor who \ believes that the emotional development of a person is just as or even more \ important than the physical development in the martial arts. I recently had \ a talk with him and he explained that he feels that I am too competitive and \ carry myself with too much ego. I do concede that ego and competitiveness \ are traits of mine and I am working to be more humble and to be more okay \ with losing. Here's some advice that might help. Don't focus on winning. Focus on doing your best. If the other guy wins, but you did your best, then you achieved your goal. And as a follow-up, if you're having a hard time with something it doesn't mean that you are failing or losing, it just means that it's very difficult for you. I.e., your best is always your best. And I don't advise setting time tables for improvement. If you set a date to achieve a goal, then you're setting yourself up for failure (if you don't achieve the goal by the date then you'll feel as if you failed). If your goal is to do you best and one day you realize that you're better than you were, you'll feel great. \ The color of my belt doesn't matter but what really does matter is that I \ don't get to train and learn the material of the higher belts. As Mr. Terry pointed out, the most important material is the basic material :) One more bit of advice, and IMHO the most important, accept your instructor's decision. You don't have to understand his decision. You don't have to agree with it. But if you accept his decision deep within yourself, you will have achieved the result he desires. Humbleness, in my opinion, is accepting who you are and the world as it is around you. This doesn't mean that you shouldn't strive to improve yourself or the world. An ego driven person who fails to succeed might feel shame, frustration, and anger. An ego driven person who succeeds might celebrate the moment, but then feel unfulfilled, and then set another goal for themselves. A humble person who is having difficulties will continue to meet the challenge, regardless of success or failure. A humble person will celebrate life every day. \ I know I need to work on my emotional development and it is and has been \ something I've always been working on but at the same time I want to advance \ my training and get better in the physical aspects of martial arts. That is \ what I find the most fun and the main reason I am in martial arts. Everyone wants to improve. Striving for excellence is a worthy occupation. However, it's your desire for advancement that's probably guiding your instructor's decision. Let me try a different tack. Don't compare yourself to the future ("I want to advance.."). Compare yourself to the past (you are better than you were). Live in the present (focus on what you are doing now). If you compare yourself to the future you will never reach your goal. Even if your instructor advanced you now would you be satisfied? Or would you want to be at the next stage? Are you better than you were? Do you know more than you did? I'm betting the answer is yes. Do you focus on the future, or on the present? Is sounds like you focus on the future. Live in the now, man. ;) \ I would really appreciate your honest opinions about my situation. I \ respect all that you have to say and I can't think of a better source of \ opinions. I hope that what I had to say helped. - -David Buehrer - -- Supervisor, Database Preparation The UnCover Company mailto:dbuehrer@denver.carl.org - -- - -- "One little smile can fill the room with sunshine." ------------------------------ From: Ernest Hart Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:03:48 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #431 > From: Ray Terry > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:08:41 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: the_dojang: injury > On the topic of injury, a good friend of mine badly blew out a knee in > Shotokan. > Now, he'd love to tell you that is was from sparring or self-defense > practice, but no... He blew it out practicing kata (poomse/hyung/forms). > It was summer, they were on the grass, and his foot stuck to the ground > instead of sliding like he was used to inside the studio. I injured my foot (plantar) two consecutive years in the same tournament doing forms... Most of my sparring injuries have been lesser (bruises, strains, etc.). I've also injured myself quite a lot just warming up, or walking, or things like that. Funny how that works. A gentleman that I know tore his hamstring playing softball. Master Instructor with a full split in both directions. He took off from base and felt a twinge in his hamstring. Instead of immediately stopping and checking it out, he continued the game. At some point, the minor thing started really hurting. Torn (of course partial) hamstring. From softball. Moral of the story is that some people are more injury prone anyway, I guess. E. Hart ------------------------------ From: Paul Rogers Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:17:40 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Unsure of what to do Jim Nakashima wrote: >>> The major problem I have is that he is holding back my next belt ranking (camo belt which is 6 kup or equivalent to green belt in WTF TKD) because he feels that although I am physically ready that the belt will feed my ego. <<< Sounds like an ATA school? >>> The thing that bothers me is that I want to continue to grow in my TKD and I feel like I am being held back. I am trying to change the way I am about my competitiveness and that but the main reason I take martial arts is for my physical improvment. I would also like to mention that when I was in University, I trained with a university club and reached the level of blue belt (4 kup). The color of my belt doesn't matter but what really does matter is that I don't get to train and learn the material of the higher belts. <<< To chime in along the lines of Ray, as I moved through the belts and learned new material, the more I enjoyed working on the white belt form...! >>> I know I need to work on my emotional development and it is and has been something I've always been working on but at the same time I want to advance my training and get better in the physical aspects of martial arts. <<< I think it's great that at least you accept that you can improve in non-physical ways (i.e., you're not in denial ;-) ). In terms of physical development, there are other ways to do this besides learning new forms and techniques. You can put that much more energy into the performance of your existing material, you can be a lot more picky about your stances, hand positions, etc., with your existing stuff. Heck, you can just try to stand longer and longer in a horse/riding stance (apparently a fundamental training tool in many martial arts)... Of course, the seemingly flippant answer would be "if you want to advance, your instructor has made it clear what it takes, it just doesn't have to do with the techniques..." 8?). My 0.02...best of luck in your training... Paul Rogers, Round Rock, TX (ATA) ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #432 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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