From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #434 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Tues, 31 Aug 1999 Vol 06 : Num 434 In this issue: the_dojang: knife form the_dojang: re: not sure what to do the_dojang: Cramping feet the_dojang: Re: Injuries in MA/Stan Lim/Ray Terry the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #430 the_dojang: Kissimmee! the_dojang: Re: ATA forms the_dojang: Re: Unsure of what to do the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~750 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Giddins Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:01:31 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: knife form I believe that form (from what I can tell from the little illustration) can also be found in one of Dan Nolan's videos, from Panther Productions. As a Tang Soo Do Black Belt knife form. Maybe Mr. Nolan can give the history? Hancock, you're pals with Dan, arent ya? You know anything about it? Greg Giddins ggiddins@corp.webb.net "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -- Douglas Adams ------------------------------ From: "Jim Nakashima" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:16:14 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: re: not sure what to do > David. In competition I consider everyone a winner. As long as you have done your best > there is no losers. That is the way I feel in my tournaments. I do not care. I am too When I said I'm overcompetitive and carry too much ego, it's not in a destructive way that a lot of people in martial arts are. In fact, I am quite careful not to injure my opponent and would say it is far safer to spar with me than a lot of other people who don't have as much body control. My instructor agrees with this and has even mentioned this fact to me. What my instructor is concerned with pertains more to my disappointment when I don't do well. I don't throw things or get in hissy fit or anything, I simply do get disappointed with losing. He fears that I may quit if I lose too much cause my ego will get in the way. I think as well, he is worried about what may happen if my ego grows and I become worse. When he talked to me about this the thing he mentioned most was how I walk with my head up, back straight, and chest out. He says this is because of my ego. That may be true but I also have that sort of body type, where I work out and have developed my chest somewhat, not huge but somewhat. As well, when I was young I took gymnastics for a number of years where that kind of posture and stance is required and beaten into our minds. He wants me to walk more with my head down, shoulders slouched forward in a very humble position. I understand what he is saying but I'm not totally okay with that it. It's very hard for me to descibe my situation but I am being as open and honest about it as I can. I am saying things about myself I don't want to say as they are negative things about myself. I hope you all can see that at least my ego isn't so large that I can't write to all the readers of this list and tell them about my faults. Jim ------------------------------ From: "VJ Mitchell" Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:08:37 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Cramping feet This is pushing the envelope for the digest, however here we go.... I have recently developed a problem with cramping in my right foot. It seems to relax when I spar, however it has a tendency to really go nuts when I work my form. My instructor(s) have suggested several different stretches to no avail. Any suggestions??? Thank you all for your time. I am really trying to not see a podiatrist!!! VJ Mitchell Optical Gaging Products, Inc. vjmitchell@uswest.net www.ogpnet.com ------------------------------ From: Tom Marker Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:20:02 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Injuries in MA/Stan Lim/Ray Terry >responsibility of the consequences of those actions! Suffice it to say that >having an instructor present in the dojang doesn't solve *everything* either amen to that one:) i've seen two of the most brutal injuries happen during tournaments. Even with a center judge and 4 corner judges, people are going to get hurt when sparring. IMHO, it takes a much more skilled person to pull an attack and stop short, rather than just plowing thru your opponent. If you want to hit someone hard or get hit, there are other avenues to pursue:) In our dojang, the only required equipment is a mouthpiece. You wear what you feel comfortable wearing. However, the price for losing control is losing sparring priviledges for the semester. The most a supervising instructor can do is enforce the rules.... I really don't believe it is a safer environment if they are watching or not. Knowing that you won't get to spar for nine weeks seems to make it a safer environment by itself. We probably have more people get hurt in Ho Sin Sul than Dae Ryun... :) The higher ranked person in the fight should know the limitations of their opponent, and should be responsible for using the appropriate degree of force.. sparring with a white belt should be much different than sparring a black belt. If you're both comfortable sparring at a certain level of contact, that's fine. Also, I think a lot of injuries come from people in the middle range i.e. 7th-4th gup when they may have a lot of power, but very little control. All the more reason to practice stopping short. Sorry for rambling... Tang Soo! Tom ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:40:27 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #430 In a message dated 8/30/99 2:14:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << I'm curious Master Silz, do you think it is really good mental strengthening to have a student sit out of class for 3 months because they have a broken arm, or hand??? >> Sometimes what doesn't kill us makes us stronger...Sometimes. Actually, I try to find the silver lining. When I have had to sit out classes, it increased my passion to train harder when I was again able. So, no, I don't think one should break one's arm so as to make their mind stronger, but should a disaster happen, I recommend trying to find the positive in it and using it as a growth experience. I am a firm believer in the concept that martial art training is nothing more than exercise if what is learned is not applied to life outside the dojang. In other words, the patience we learn from taekwondo should be applied to any life-situation requiring patience. On a personal note, I credit the hard times and training I received from Master Sang Lee with helping me survive a life-threatining illness that befell me around ten years ago. This was a bigger payoff than all the medals I won in competition and all the self-defense ability I gained over the years. If martial arts classes help the practitioner enjoy the good times more, and deal better with the adversity that life tends to bring, I think the training is good...even though injuries will naturally occur from time to time. Master Silz ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Kissimmee! From the USTU... The 1999 USTU Prsidents Cup Championships Individual and Team National Competition Kissimmee Civic Center Kissimmee, Florida October 15-17, 1999 For more information contact the USTU office 719-578-4632 or visit http://www.ustu.org. Friday, October 15 Registration and weigh-in Saturday, October 16 Team competition, followed by all Golden Seniors, followed by all adult black belt events. Team finals last event. Sunday, October 17 All juniors, color and black belts, all adult color belts. Ray Terry rterry@best.com ------------------------------ From: Brett Erwin Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:47:08 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: ATA forms > To answer Paul Rogers question, it isn't an ATA school although we used to > be a part of the ATA. We still do the Songahm patterns .... Ummm... your instructor/owner had better watch out. ATA doesn't take lightly to this (non-members using Songahm fomrs). I would imagine ATA would politely ask the instructor to stop, but they will take legal action (and have in the past) if their request is not honored. Regards, Brett Erwin Allen, TX ------------------------------ From: dbuehrer@denver.carl.org Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:19:37 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Unsure of what to do \ From: "Jim Nakashima" \ \ To answer Paul Rogers question, it isn't an ATA school although we used to \ be a part of the ATA. We still do the Songahm patterns but the curriculum \ is quite different from the ATA as we learn Hapkido as well as other things \ along with the TKD. \ \ I understand what some of you are getting at, it's the journey not the \ destination. I guess I do look too much into the future. For a variety of \ reasons I find it very discouraging to see others who are not as physically \ ready for new material moving on while I don't. \ \ I know it's important to learn the basic material really well, I've been \ training for the last 3 years and with this school for the last year and I \ am currently a yellow belt at this school. It was hard to go back to white \ belt last year but I did because I did really want to learn the material \ correctly and work on the basics. I think I've persevered a lot through the \ basic material and although I know I am a far ways away from perfecting it, \ it does become quite boring. New material will help keep my training fresh \ and my interest level high as well as help me to improve my basic material. \ \ I know I can keep growing just going over the same material I just feel I \ can grow more with new material. What do you all think? I think you're dodging the issue :) Your instructor's expectation is that you address your ego and competitiveness, not whether or not you're physically capable. - -David Buehrer - -- Supervisor, Database Preparation The UnCover Company mailto:dbuehrer@denver.carl.org - -- - -- "The light is reached not by turning back from the darkness, but by going through it." ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #434 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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