From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #440 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Sat, 4 Sept 1999 Vol 06 : Num 440 In this issue: the_dojang: Tan Jun breating the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #435 Re: the_dojang: Tan Jun breating the_dojang: Browsing thru the archives Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #411 the_dojang: TKD vs. Other MA's the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~750 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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Thanks Michael Vagi Black Scorpion Arnis Newcastle, Australia *Fight if you can but never quit* ------------------------------ From: d g Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 20:02:07 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #435 From: Stan Lim Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:55:40 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Injuries in MA/Stan Lim/Ray Terry > Broken arm. I was doing light/play sparring with a senior belt. > We were on a smooth concrete surface, which was where we normally > trained and sparred. I did a left roundhouse. He grabbed my leg > (since I wasn't kicking with much force or speed). I jumped on my > right leg to do a right roundhouse *warning* DO NOT try this on a > hard surface. Instead of legging left leg go to block, my partner > pulled my left leg up. Both legs are in the air, so I was falling > head first onto the concrete. I tried to break my fall with my hands, > but as I landed on my left side, my left hand took all the impact. > Loud crunch. No pain at first, but felt "funny". Got up, then realized > that I had never seen my left arm bent that way. > > ** Lessons learned: > 1) Be aware of surroundings. Be extra careful when training on hard > surfaces. > 2) Watch out for the safety of your training/sparring partner as well. > Don't do something that may endanger them. > 3) Stick to the techniques you were taught. (i.e. grabbing, holding and > then pulling on my leg is not a legal TKD or Karate move, normally) > Lesson number 4. Take lessons on the "fine art of falling down" Never stick your arms out to break your fall. You either break your arm or your collarbone that way. You roll into the fall and slap the ground to absorb the force of the fall. Donna - -- NO!! My cycle doesn't leak! It marks it's territory. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Tan Jun breating >I have been learning Hapkido for three months and find that I have this problem >with Tan Jun breathing. After the first set as I start my second set after I >hve tensed for 8 secs and as I am breathing out (still tensing) I get these >horrible pains across the top of my head. The pain is so bad I have to take a >couple of quick breaths before continuing > >Can any one give me some advice on how to stop this from happening because it >gets very painful and there must be something to do about it. Do we have medical types with us? What do you think about the following... I'm not in favor of the typical breath in for 8, hold/tense for 8, breath out for 8 as done in typical danjun breathing. Yes, that is the way it was taught to me and the way I did it for years, but I don't think the "hold/tense for 8" is good for a body. So I now teach breath in for 8, breath out for 8 as danjan breathing. Thoughts? Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Chuck Sears Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:49:20 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Browsing thru the archives Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #411 > > > From: TKDKurt@aol.com > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:04:27 EDT > Subject: the_dojang: Re: Long Term Contracts > > In a message dated 8/20/99 10:40:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Brett Erwin > writes: > > << Allowed??? You make it seem like its the school owners fault. If your > program > is worth it, and you (the instructor) are worth it, and the customers are > willing > to pay it, then so be it. It's **BUSINESS**. >> > > With all due respect, Brett, it IS the school owner's fault. No new student > knows when he starts if he is going to like it or not, nor does the > instructor or owner. Martial arts training is not for everyone. I don't > care how good the instructor is, some students are going to quit before black > belt (statistically, I understand, about 90%). Signing someone up for a 3 > year black belt program when they may not stick it out past green belt > (where, in my experience, there is a large attrition) is abusive in my > opinion. What do you do if they want to quit before the three years? Keep > charging them? Take them to court? Let them forfeit prepaid tuition? That > may be business, but it's bad business. Word of mouth of such practices can > kill a school. > If the school owner jumps on them immediately with a long term contract, I would agree with you. And in some cases, that is what happens. I have "gone undercover", so to speak, and visited other schools in my area. In three of them, I was pressured to sign a contract within 5 minutes of coming in the door. The shortest term was for one year, the longest was open-ended. In my school, we do it in steps and I think most people do something similar. We start with a short intro period of 5 weeks. We go from there to a six month agreement. At the end of six months, we've all got a fairly good idea of whether the student is going to go the route. If I don't feel like they will, I'll just re-up them for another six months. If I do think they will, I will invite them to join our Black Belt Club and make the long-term commitment. If someone moves, I'll transfer their membership to another school in their new home town if I can. If I can't, I'll cancel the contract. If they have financial problems, I'll work with them. I'm not in business to sue people, I want to teach them. In 5 years of school ownership, I have never had anyone default on an agreement. I have cancelled several for a variety of reasons. And it has paid off. I had one family that went through financial problems, divorce, job loss, etc. I cancelled their contract and trained the kids at no charge for 4 months. The mother finally had to pull them because she got a new job where she couldn't get them to class. But the good will that I got from her has been priceless. She has sent 7 families to my school and they come in thinking that I walk on water from her descriptions. Mr. Erwin is right, though. If your program is worth it and you as an instructor are worth it, you should charge top market prices and expect your customers to pay it. And they will, because they feel that they are getting the bang for the buck. ------------------------------ From: "John Bennett" Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 03:07:16 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: TKD vs. Other MA's > From: "Ric V. Brown" > Somebody at work with a MA background from the military was saying that TKD > is fine for junior olympics, etc but won't help much in a street fight The guy at work is wrong. TKD _will_ help your son in a street fight. Will your sone be able to beat an attacker who is skilled in grappling (Judoka or Wrestler)? No he probably won't. But TKD is not just about streetfighting. Your son will be more skilled than if he didn't take TKD. Your son will probably enjoy TKD practice/tournaments/socialization more than another martial art because TKD lends itself well to kids than do many other arts. Ask the guy at work what HIS son currently trains in. John Bennett ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 08:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #440 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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