From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #455 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 13 Sept 1999 Vol 06 : Num 455 In this issue: the_dojang: list down next week the_dojang: Interesting info... the_dojang: Tae Guek Kwon/Taek-kyon the_dojang: new millenium the_dojang: International Date Line the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~750 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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Ray Terry rterry@best.com - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Actually I can add my two cents worth as well: Vaz Dourado called it on his first map of Korea Conray (1568), (besides the manuscripts the first existing map of Korea). Texeira called it through Ortelius (the second "official" map) in 1595. Van Linschoten called it Core (1595), but on the map in his book is written ihla de Corea. In all of the Dutch documents I have seen it written as Corea, Correa, Corre, Coree and Coray (sometimes in the same document), On an anonymous Dutch map in a manuscript with the discoveries of Mathijs Quast and Abel Tasman in 1639. (Amsterdam 17th century) you can find Coria. The French preferred to use Corée. On some maps one will find Kauli and Corea at the same time. The change is indeed a gradual one. In the article I have written for "Korean Studies" you can examine all the varieties through time on maps, on my website in the 17th century Dutch document, but indeed the Japanese were not the first to write it with a K. On a map of Quan-tong or Lea-tonge province; and the kingdom of Kau-li or Corea. [London: T. Kitchin, 1780] one will also find the sea of Korea. I am inclined to say that the change occurred gradually in the 18th century as well as the reference to the Sea of Corea, Gulf of Corea, East Sea, Mare Orientalis to Japanese Sea or Sea of Japan. The sea south of Japan was initially called the sea of Japan. De La Pérrouse was on a cartographic expedition and named the sea the Japanese sea. So from roughly the middle of the 17th century to the end of the 18th century the sea was called the Sea of Korea or any variant of it but sometimes as the East Sea and even one time as the North Sea. After 1800 it gradually changes it's name on western maps to the Sea of Japan, though even on earlier maps one can occasionally see that name being used. At 05:29 PM 09/13/1999 , Gari Keith Ledyard wrote: >In re Corea or Korea, since my name has been mentioned I might as well >recapitulate some earlier discussion on this net. "Corea" was coined by >Spanish or Portuguese mariners sailing in Japanese waters in the 16th >century, on the basis of Japanese utterings of the Korean name KoryO, >which was pronounced Ko^rai in Japanese. Although "KoryO" was already a >couple of centuries out of date as a dynastic name, it continued until >recent times to be a common East Asian regional name for Korea (cf. also >the Chinese form, "Gaoli," current in Chinese speech well into the >twentieth century). Westerners latinized "Korai" into a feminine "Corea," >and this form was the most common in Western writings down to the 1880s, >which ushered in a few decades in which both "Corea" and "Korea" were >commonly seen. I have heard it said that the Japanese were responsible >for the change to "K," but I know of no evidence or rationale in favor of >this assertion. U.S. diplomats started with "C" in 1882 but switched back >and forth throughout the 80s and into the 90s, with "K" gradually >prevailing. It seems more likely to me that the Japanese went along with >this trend. I notice that Sugimura Fukashi, Secretary at the Japanese >Legation in Seoul in the 1890s, who wrote his personal diary in English, >used "K", but scores of westerners used it earlier. > As to why someone would start using the phrase "Corean-American" >in our own time, who can tell? Some might feel that C looks cooler than >K. Others might prefer a Latinate rather than a Germanic look. Still >others might just like to be different. No harm done. People will do >what they want, and in the Anglophone world, there are no academic bodies >lawfully charged with the responsibility to police the language and issue >diktats on spelling. > >Gari Ledyard > > > > Dear Ms Campana: > > > > Thank you for the query. In fact, that is one of the most > > frequently-asked-questions. I've met many people who seem to know much > > more about the "K" v "C" issue(s) including Gari Ledyard. Will any > > person be willing to volunteer to addres on this matter? Thank you. > > > > Regards, > > Sang Joo Kim > > --------------------------------- > > > > Andrea Campana wrote: > > > > > Why Corean-American with C for Korean? > > > > > > ---------- ------------------------------ From: "Dennis McHenry" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:43:07 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Tae Guek Kwon/Taek-kyon Andrew, I believe there is a Korean equivalent to Tai Chi Chun, and is also referenced at the Kum-Do site: http://www.wka.org/ where they also offer affiliation in the TAE GUK KWON ASSOCIATION (Tai Chi Chun). From: Andrew Pratt <> Mac TANG SOO! ------------------------------ From: 4karate@bellsouth.net Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:58:15 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: new millenium Could someone explain why people think Jan 1, 2001 is the first day of the new millenium and not Jan 1, 2000? If....on this Jan 1.... we reach the age of 2000 years.....then at exactly 1 minute past midnight of that date......haven't we already reached past 2000 years...ergo...entered the new millenium? This 2001 thing seems to be nothing more than a tactic to draw out the ineviatable...perhaps to buy the religious fanatics sometime so they can mull around why the world didn't come to an end as predicted and why they were abandoned on planet Earth with the heathens. Me? I think we already entered the tribulation and are all ready living in hell on Earth. Anywhere from here HAS to be an improvement! LOL! JH ------------------------------ From: "William Upton-Knittle" Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:39:05 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: International Date Line Dear William and Timothy, I'm afraid I don't think this is correct. My understanding is that the new century will begin in the mid Pacific and proceed (strangely enough) westwards. There is a group of Islands near Australia who are offering 'see the new century here first' holidays Yours, Andrew Andrew you are completely correct.....the International Date Line is exactly OPPOSITE to Greenwich Time. From the research I have done because I thought you were not correct, it turns out that navigators way back when decided to put it over water for the most part (it does touch land in a few places) because if it were on land each day change would be difficult for the people to handle.......I don't really understand the thinking behind the change, but some group back when decided it would be best for us humans to have it over water than land. My hat is off to you.......although the time at the IDL is still based on the time at the Greenwich Observatory. b ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #455 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in pub/the_dojang/digests. 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