From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #470 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 29 Sept 1999 Vol 06 : Num 470 In this issue: the_dojang: Camp Casey Re: the_dojang: Camp Casey the_dojang: On being sick the_dojang: Training with a cold the_dojang: defining 'martial arts' the_dojang: Re: Sick the_dojang: Re: Boxing as a martial art the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~750 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:10:32 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Camp Casey >>Hey, any people residing in Korea happen to know >>about the October 16th tournament at Camp >>Casey?????? Boy does that make me homesick. Sorry, can't help you with the tournament, I haven't been to Casey since 1996 when I went back to see what had changed from 88-89 when I was living there. Can't wait to be over there again. Alain ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Camp Casey > >>Hey, any people residing in Korea happen to know > >>about the October 16th tournament at Camp Casey?????? > > Boy does that make me homesick. Sorry, can't help you with the tournament, > I haven't been to Casey since 1996 when I went back to see what had changed > from 88-89 when I was living there. Can't wait to be over there again. And.?. Had much changed in that 7 years? :) I'm about to plan another trip to S.Korea, need to use up my frequent flyer miles before they expire next year. Any ideas on places to train/visit outside of Seoul? I haven't been much out of Seoul City the last two times in Korea and would like to experience more of the country (and other dojangs) this time over. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: 4karate@bellsouth.net Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:44:45 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: On being sick Kim, recent research indicates that exercising when one is ill can actually have a beneficial effect.....if the exercise is within reason. Remember...you are sick...so if you get light headed or nauseaus.........quit for awhile. OH....and it is my opinion you should NOT attend regular classes when sick...but DO work out at home. If you have an illness...going to class is only going to spread the illness to everyone there....and I don't think they would appreciate your dedication quite so much (wink). John Hancock ------------------------------ From: Rick Dennis Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:28:08 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Training with a cold From: kim jones One last question: Do you think being sick, like having a cold, affects your training? Should you stay home and rest or do what you can? Wanting opinions on that... I am not qualified to answer this as a martial artist or a medical professional. But from a courtesy standpoint, if you consider yourself contageous don't go to class and spread your germs all over the Do Jang. I don't like to work in an office next to someone with a cold, and that is not nearly as close as you get doing one steps or self defense practice. I am only a 6th gup, but this is pretty straight forward respect for your classmates. Would you want to practice with someone you KNOW is going to make you sick? If you are anything like me, you would probably do it to be courteous, but you may resent the person who put you in that situation. Rick Dennis 6th Gup Soo Bahk Do Moo Duk Kwan rickd@dlogue.net ------------------------------ From: Andrew Pratt Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:44:57 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: defining 'martial arts' Dear Alain, That was a good, interesting and authoritative post on the problems trying to define martial arts. I tried to do the same thing for my BA dissertation (http://members.aol.com/torm1358/dissert.htm). An early version was posted to this list and from the responses, I was able to modify it, but I am still not very pleased with the result. Yours, Andrew ------------------------------ From: dbuehrer@carl.org Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:24:19 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Sick \ From: kim jones \ \ One last question: Do you think being sick, like having a cold, affects \ your training? Should you stay home and rest or do what you can? Wanting \ opinions on that... I certainly think that being sick affects my training. Any sort of distraction makes it harder to concentrate and think. I can tune out external distractions fairly easily, but internal distractions aren't as easy to deal with. When I've been sick, I've done what I could. On a few occasions I was a little weak, but was clear headed enough to attend class. On other occasions the best I could do was sit and watch. And on a few occasions I've been sick enough that I couldn't get out of the house. On all those occasions I did what I could :) IMHO one should not attend class if their mind is muddled (head cold). A muddled mind is prone to accidents. Or when they are detracting from the rest of the class (has to stop every few minutes to cough). Or when they are a danger to the rest of the class (contagious). However, if one can manage it I advocate showing up with the purpose of watching (again, assuming they aren't contagious or a serious distraction). - -David Buehrer - -- Supervisor, Database Preparation The UnCover Company mailto:dbuehrer@denver.carl.org - -- "The light is reached not by turning back from the darkness, but by going through it." ------------------------------ From: dbuehrer@carl.org Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:40:00 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Boxing as a martial art \ From: burdickd \ \ David Buehrer cited Encarta as the guide to martial arts. This \ in itself was a mistake, but even more importantly, he believed \ that since there was no link between boxing and East Asia that \ boxing could not be a martial art. And, thanks to the wise members of this list, has since changed his beliefs :) FWIW, I checked Encyclopedia Britanica Online (a Much better source then Encarta) and found this: "Martial Art Any of various fighting sports or skills, *mainly* of East Asian origin, such as kung fu, judo, karate, and kendo." (emphasis on "mainly" mine) It continues with: "Martial arts can be divided into the armed and unarmed arts. The former include archery, spearmanship, and swordsmanship; the latter, which originated in China, emphasize striking with the feet and hands or grappling. In Japan, traditionally a warrior's training emphasized archery, swordsmanship, unarmed combat, and swimming in armour. Members of other classes interested in combat concentrated on arts using the staff, everyday work implements (such as thrashing flails, sickles, and knives), and unarmed combat. Perhaps the most versatile practice was ninjutsu, which was developed for military spies in feudal Japan and also included training in disguise, escape, concealment, geography, meteorology, medicine, and explosives. In modern times, derivatives of some of the armed martial arts, such as kendo (fencing) and kyudo (archery), are practiced as sports. Derivatives of the unarmed forms of combat, such as judo, sumo, karate, and tae kwon do, are practiced, as are self-defense forms, such as aikido, hapkido, and kung fu. Simplified forms of T'ai Chi ch'uan, a Chinese form of unarmed combat, are popular as healthful exercise, quite divorced from martial origins. Derivatives of many of the armed and unarmed forms are practiced as a means of spiritual development. The primary unifying aspect of the East Asian martial arts, which sets them apart from other martial arts, is the influence of Taoism and Zen Buddhism. This influence has resulted in a strong emphasis on the mental and spiritual state of the practitioner, a state in which the rationalizing and calculating functions of the mind are suspended so that the mind and body can react immediately as a unit, reflecting the changing situation around the combatant. When this state is perfected, the everyday experience of the dualism of subject and object vanishes. Since this mental and physical state is also central to Taoism and Zen, and must be experienced to be grasped, many of their adherents practice the martial arts as a part of their philosophical and spiritual training. Conversely, numerous practitioners of the martial arts take up the practice of these philosophies." Are there any hairs to split here? :) \ Take care, and don't get caught up in ancient Chinese secrets, ok? But, it's so much fun! ;) - -David Buehrer - -- Supervisor, Database Preparation The UnCover Company mailto:dbuehrer@denver.carl.org - -- "The more I learn, the more I realize I don't know and the more I want to learn." - -Einstein ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #470 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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