From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #472 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 30 Sept 1999 Vol 06 : Num 472 In this issue: the_dojang: Sevillian Steel the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #471 the_dojang: Re: Training outside of class the_dojang: RE: Training outside, partners, unlearning etc. the_dojang: Travel plans the_dojang: Touring outside Seoul the_dojang: Camp Casey n' being sick... the_dojang: special characters and training during an illness the_dojang: Re: V6 #469: training sick the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~750 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Sevillian Steel On my flight back from Ohio I read the book Sevillian Steel: The Traditional Knife-Fighting Arts of Spain, by James Loriega (a member of the Eskrima-Digest list). An excellent read! Well researched, excellent bibliography, and so well written that it is difficult to put the book down. Of course this book or any other will not make you an accomplished knife fighter, but the historical, cultural, and personal references spread throughout this book make it a must read. IMHO. Paladin Press, 1999. ISBN 1-58160-039-9. Ray Terry rterry@best.com ------------------------------ From: 4karate@bellsouth.net Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:50:45 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #471 > Dear Mr. Hancock, > Can you direct us to this research? I would find it very interesting as it > supports what I have found out on my own. It would also be good to have in > print to share with students who are under the weather, so to speak. > SESilz Mr. Silz, I'd love to...but....I saw this on a TV show.....I think it was a local news cast out of Louisville. can't remember. See....exercise does nothing for Alzhiemer's. LOL! John Hancock ------------------------------ From: dbuehrer@carl.org Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:13:31 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Training outside of class \ From: Donnla Nic Gearailt \ \ HI all, \ I have been training in tkd for about 3 months, so I am extreme \ newbie. \ I wanted to ask you more experienced students - \ what are your views on training outside of class? Practice on your own if you can. Working on the basics never hurts :) \ Is it a good idea to team up with a student of similar ability \ to practice moves and techniques? I wouldn't recommend practicing moves and techniques on eachother. If something goes wrong and one of you accidently injures the other person, one of you might end up getting the doctor's bill (even if the other person doesn't blame you, their insurance company probably will). I would recommend warming up together and practicing basics (stances, stepping patterns, strikes, kicks) together. \ Plus I am worried about learning things the wrong way and then \ having to unlearn them... or getting injuries... Try to find a student of higher ability. During my first three months of Hapkido my brother (then a 2nd Kup) would come over on weekends and we'd work on our basics. He had enough experience that he was able to correct my really bad flaws. In my experience most higher belts (5th-1st Kup) and most of the lower Dans are happy to help a low belt (thought the Dans might charge a small fee (my brother was happy with a home cooked meal :)) Also, you're going to fail to learn some things (or miss subtleties). Everyone does :) As you continue to take classes there will be times when it suddenly dawns on you that you've been doing something the wrong way for quite some time. Then you'll have to struggle to learn new habits. Don't sweat it :) - -David Buehrer - -- Supervisor, Database Preparation The UnCover Company mailto:dbuehrer@denver.carl.org - -- "Be kind; for everyone is having a hard battle." - -Plato ------------------------------ From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:14:17 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Training outside, partners, unlearning etc. > From: Donnla Nic Gearailt > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:24:08 +0100 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #469 > > HI all, > I have been training in tkd for about 3 months, so I am extreme > newbie. > I wanted to ask you more experienced students - > what are your views on training outside of class? > Is it a good idea to team up with a student of similar ability > to practice moves and techniques? > I find that it's difficult to really get warmed up properly outside > of training in other sports, ike athletics. > Plus I am worried about learning things the wrong way and then > having to unlearn them... or getting injuries... > I would welcome your views on this. > Donnla. > Donnla, here's my $0.02 worth: Train outside of class, definitely, if you have time. ( I know people who go to class 6 to 7 times a week... how much time could they have left? ) Just be cautious about who offers you "instruction". You'll soon know which of the upper belts have a good handle on the style and technique your instructor wishes you to learn. Listen to them and be respectful to the rest. Listen to your body, too. You don't mention your age or fitness level, but you don't want to overdo it. (this is advice from a 45-year-old who forgets and thinks he's still 18 :) ) Train with people better than you to lift your skill level. Train with people on your level to help "burn in" that skill. And when you've progressed enough, train with people below your level to help lift them. In my experience our typical classes are geared so this happens as a matter of course. A caveat: It doesn't help at all when a partner significantly above your level uses all their speed, agility, and techniques and you are so outmatched that you spend all your effort surviving. I think a conscientious partner holds back enough so that you are still outmatched, but have a chance to respond and learn. Don't worry about learning the wrong way (see caution about informal "teachers" above). If you pay attention to what your teacher says and shows and do your best to repeat it you'll be fine. None of us ever does it "right". We should always be fine-tuning and correcting our technique. Anyway, that's all IMHO, and YMMV! Kerry WTF Dan-Bo (soon to endure a Cho-Dan test) ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Travel plans > You could visit the headquarters of the Korea Traditional Taekkyon > Association. It's in Chungju. The phone number is (0441) 845-1784, or > was the last time I checked. > > Michael P. Have you had the opportunity to visit there? Any observations to share? Ray Terry rterry@best.com ------------------------------ From: "Anthony or Clare Boyd" Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:57:19 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: Touring outside Seoul This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF0B4B.B5F75040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well Ray, if you are at all interested in swordwork (heh) then I know = you'd be very welcome to come visit the dojang where I routinely debunk = the myth of 'the capable foreigner'. ;} I train and live in Uijongbu, = one of Seoul's larger and more northern satellite cities. It's easily = accessible by subway and bus as such a frequent visitor as yourself = likely knows. Perhaps all the Seoul residents on this list could get together with you = during your stay... 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Well Ray, if you are at all interested in swordwork = (heh) then=20 I know you'd be very welcome to come visit the dojang where I routinely = debunk=20 the myth of 'the capable foreigner'.  ;}  I train and live in=20 Uijongbu, one of Seoul's larger and more northern satellite cities. It's = easily=20 accessible by subway and bus as such a frequent visitor as yourself = likely=20 knows.
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BF0B4B.B5F75040-- ------------------------------ From: kim jones Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: Camp Casey n' being sick... Regarding areas to travel to outside of Seoul, you have everywhere from the 38th parallel down to Cheju-do... take yer pick! Osan's good for shopping (really good except for when they have bomb threats), Tongduchon and Uijongbu are urbanized more and more everyday, and the south is a pretty good region to travel to, except I know nothing much about that area. If you haven't gone to the DMZ, you should sign up for one of those tours... it's interesting, to say the least. Regarding being sick, I'm not contagious. Difficult to explain how I know this, but I just do...my dear old mother Everytime I'm sick, she gets whatever I have within a day or so of me getting it. It never ever fails... but as far as coughing goes, it stopped before class (medicine) then kicks back up after I'm sitting at home trying to figure out how to get out of the tub (medicine wearing off). I pray it's not what I think it is... Okay, now for a question regarding a tangent on that last subject I just kicked myself in the arse with: If it's okay to miss practice, why is it NOT okay to miss school (considering half the time at school is wishing someone would shoot me and the nurse's office won't even give anything more than a cough suppressant in the form of Mentho-lyptus coughdrops)??? Why is it okay to go around school and not recuperate??? I understand I have classes I need to be at, but the flip side is that if I need to recover so I'm at near 100%, why am I at school walking around miserable and falling asleep in class because I can't concentrate? Something for parents to think about... ===== Kim Jones (ladytimberland@yahoo.com) Webpage - http://members.tripod.com/NekoChan00/ AOL IM - OmegaKage IcQ - 46316779 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: Andrew Pratt Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:14:36 +0900 Subject: the_dojang: special characters and training during an illness Dear Kim, >>There's the _HTML 4.0_ book by Elizabeth Castro (check amazon.com or barnesandnoble.com for it) which has a special table in the back with the special key codes for umlauted characters. Also, if you check the character map on your computer, it has the umlauted characters and many more special characters using the "alt" key and a number. The keycode will always prevail over the HTML code. << My HTML book doesn't have such a guide. As to the 'alt' key option. One should not use them because they depend on all computers interpreting the 'alt key' in the same way. I suspect that Apples and non-US PCs may interpret the 'alt' keys differently. And then one has to consider UNIX machines, etc. So, I'm afraid HTML code is the only option... >>One last question: Do you think being sick, like having a cold, affects your training? Should you stay home and rest or do what you can? Wanting opinions on that... << Yes, I still train when I am ill, thought I wouldn't say that I practise particularly hard. I think I read somewhere that having a temperature is the body's way of fighting a cold. So I take the view that anything that keeps me warm is good. Training is the best way for me to stay warm for a longish period. (Of course, if it is winter, walking home afterwards in the cold my negate any benefits from training :-(. Also, I find that if I just sit down at home or the office, I just feel terrible. If I train, the cold tends to 'disappear' while I train, relieving me of runny nose, sneezing fits, etc. Hope that helps, Andrew ------------------------------ From: samiller@Bix.Com Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Re: V6 #469: training sick In my experience, unless I'm really ill, the only way I can tell if I'm too sick to train is to go to the dojang and see. There have been many nights when I had a bad headache, or the equivalent, nearly decided to stay home, and then felt better or cured after 90 minutes of sweating. There have also been at least 2 occasions where I pushed myself to train hard or to test when I had upper respiratory symptoms and knew I shouldn't have, with the result that I got a really good dose. So I guess my answer is: do what you can, but don't be too stubborn to pack it in. I do real well following the first part of that advice, not so hot on the second;>) Kim Jones wrote: >One last question: Do you think being sick, like having a cold, affects >your training? Should you stay home and rest or do what you can? Wanting >opinions on that... === Tang Soo! Scott ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 06:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #472 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. 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