From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #484 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 6 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 484 In this issue: the_dojang: Write ABC Re: the_dojang: Write ABC the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #482 the_dojang: Hapkido Video and Books the_dojang: On 'Advice' the_dojang: re - burn out the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~750 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JEREMYT@ATFI.COM (JeremyT) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:53:39 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Write ABC I received this from a martial art chat group that I belong to. I would like to ask everyone to please pass this on to others and write ABC or Disney to have them NOT include Jane Fonda in the Barbara Walters special "100 Years of Great Women". Jeremy WJDKF/MACS Subj: Fwd: Not Saluting Jane When I was at Camp Pendleton receiving combat corpsman training, I noticed that the pickup truck belonging to the gunnery sergeant in charge of our training was adorned with bumper stickers containing extremely unflattering remarks about Jane Fonda. I also noticed a few referred to Ms. Fonda and Vietnam, but at the time I honestly had no idea why. Being an E-5 and close to rank to our E-7 gunny, after a training rotation one afternoon I decided to ask him about those stickers, and what they had to do with Fonda. He muttered a few obscenities and proceeded to tell me the story. Fonda, he said, became a traitor during the Vietnam War -- a war in which "gunny" had served two tours and for which he had received three Purple Hearts (which is why he enjoyed training Navy corpsmen to be Marine Corps combat corpsmen -- they'd saved his life a time or two). The following excerpts are not "gunny's" words, but when I received them in an e-mail recently, it reminded me of his story. And, as ABC's Barbara Walters prepares to honor the traitorous Jane Fonda during Walters' "100 years of great women" program soon, I thought the American people needed to hear this story again. You see, Fonda isn't just exercise videos and the third wheel in "Nine to Five" (the movie). "There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Jane Fonda's participation in what I believe to be blatant treason, is one of them. Part of my conviction comes from exposure to those who suffered her attentions. "In 1978, the Commandant of the USAF Survival School, a colonel, was a former POW in Ho Lo Prison -- the Hanoi Hilton. Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American 'Peace Activist' the 'lenient and humane treatment' he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's feet, accidentally pulling the man's shoe off -- which sent that officer berserk. "In '78, the AF colonel still suffered from double vision -- permanently grounding him -- from the Vietnamese officer's frenzied application of a wooden baton. "From 1983-85, Col. Larry Carrigan was 347FW/DO (F-4Es). He'd spent 6 [product] years in the Hilton -- the first three of which he was listed as MIA. His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned/fed/clothed routine in preparation for a 'peace delegation' visit. "They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security number on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like, 'Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?' and, 'Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?'" "Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge ... and handed him the little pile of notes. "Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost number four. "For years after their release, a group of determined former POWs, including Col. Carrigan, tried to bring Ms. Fonda and others up on charges of treason. I don't know that they used it, but the charge of 'Negligent Homicide due to Depraved Indifference' would also seem appropriate. Her obvious 'granting of aid and comfort to the enemy' alone should've been sufficient for the treason count. However, to date, Jane Fonda has never been formally charged with anything and continues to enjoy the privileged life of the rich and famous. "I, personally, think that this is shame on us, the American Citizenry. "Part of our shortfall is ignorance: Most don't know such actions ever took place. "The only addition I might add to these sentiments is to remember the satisfaction of relieving myself into the urinal at some airbase or another where 'zaps' of Hanoi Jane's face had been applied." And there is this account: "I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban Me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I later buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. "At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (my normal weight is 170 lbs.). We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals.'" "When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I would like to tell her aboutthe real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as 'humane and lenient.' Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a piece of steel re-bar placed on my hands, and beaten. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: the_dojang: Write ABC There are even more horrible stories wrt Ms. Fonda and her inappropriate actions while visiting Hanoi and our US POWs, but this is not the proper forum for that discussion. Please take it to the media forums or political forums or veterans forums. Thanks. Ray Terry raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com ------------------------------ From: Don.Hahn@phs.com Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:38:51 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #482 >>From: dbuehrer@carl.org Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 14:24:46 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Request for Advice I'm getting burnt out on Hapkido, and I'm looking for advice on ways to address the issue. Lately I've been enjoying the first 30 minutes or so of class, but then my focus drifts and I start getting very frustrated. This has happened almost every class for the last three weeks. It doesn't matter whether it's a basics week or a practicals week, whether it's something I really like (wrist locks) or something I don't like (spinning kicks), the loss of focus and the feeling of frustration are the same. I love Hapkido and want it to become a lifelong passion. I like and respect the master instructor, and the assistant instructors and classmates. But it hasn't been much fun lately :-\ My current plan is to take a month off from Hapkido and try to center myself. But I'm opened minded and would appreciate any comments, suggestions or advice. Thank you, - - -David Buehrer << How long have you been training? Is it boring? Part of the training is to push yourself when you don't want to be there, it's called self discipline, mental discipline. Like the ad says, "Just do it". ------------------------------ From: Don.Hahn@phs.com Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:40:13 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Hapkido Video and Books The new issue of TKD Times has an order form for all the World Hapkido Federation books and videos and new uniform. This is also on the web at www.worldhapkidofederation.com. I also have a scanned file should you want that. Private emails and I'll send that out to you. ------------------------------ From: 4karate@bellsouth.net Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 16:05:53 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: On 'Advice' Two questions: 1: Are you already a Black Belt? 2: Have you tried any other Martial Arts? Can't give any advice unless I know these answers. But like previous poster said....training ain't always FUN. Sometimes...it is pure unmitigated agony. I remember in Korea....it got so bad at one point I would hide in alcoves just to see if anyone else was going to show up. See...If I was the only one there...then the workouts were three times as hard...because I had no one to divide Master Han's attention...which meant...I got the full brunt of it.....and it was agony when that happenned. It is kind of like the old saying, "what doesn't kill you will make you stronger." Problem is....it was touch-n-go for awhile there as to whether it actually would "kill me" or not! LOL! John Hancock P.S. My own students say the same thing about me today. LOL! Well....what goes around.... ------------------------------ From: Jack Boychuk Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 16:54:00 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: re - burn out While getting ready for black belt testing last year, we (my whole family - self, wife and 2 sons) started training extra on weekends, and in spare(?) time, in advance. Although we all went to class 4-6 times a week, we needed more time to go through all the extra stuff we had to know. The curriculum includes over 30 lengthy and difficult kicking combinations which we had to memorize, and perform from both starting stances (left/right foot forward). We thought we were testing in July, so in May/June we started cramming. The test never took actually place until November. For many reasons (mostly to accommodate the maximum number of testing students), the testing needed to be rescheduled. Needless to say, we all kind of hit a burn out point along the way. I found that it was very difficult to continue after the testing, but forced myself to go, although I backed off to 3-4 times per week. I had to motivate myself by picking some new short term and long term goals, and setting out to achieve them. I guess for me this just boils down to goal setting, and working through the low times, which I am sure everyone has at some point. Best of luck, Jack. Plano, TX ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 15:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #484 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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