From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #499 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Wed, 13 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 499 In this issue: the_dojang: In search of Master Chung the_dojang: TKD and HKD studies the_dojang: Tukong Moosul the_dojang: HKD and TKD the_dojang: Master J.R.Wests Seminar the_dojang: re:tkd and hapkido vs. other forms of karate the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~750 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray Simmons Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:23:30 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: In search of Master Chung Jeremy wrote: Which Master Chung are you refering too? I can ask my GM to see if he may know him. Jeremy Jeremy- I studied traditional Hapkido in Chicago from 1973-1976 (Yeah, I know, I'm old). The school was on the norteast side of the city (I forget which street). I was at a school that was called (at different times): 1. Chung's karate school 2. Illinois taekwondo I left Chicago in 1976 and have been unable to locate Master Chung since. If you have any leads, please let me know. thanks - -Ray - -- Ray Simmons EMC Corporation res@mil.emc.com 5 technology Dr. (508)435-1000 x55669 Milford, Ma. 01757 - -------- Opinions are mine alone --------- ------------------------------ From: JEREMYT@ATFI.COM (JeremyT) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:27:15 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: TKD and HKD studies "Is it good to practice two forms of martial arts ie. Tae Kwon Do and @>>Hapkido, or is it better to just focus on one? This is just "my" oppinion, but I think that TKD and Hapkido should go together as long as the person training in both doesn't get the two con- fussed in class. An Hapkido locks and throws if done improper or on one not suspecting it, can be very dangerous. Such as using Hapkido in TKD class." I believe that as a beginner, you should get a good grasp and foundation in one art. This doesn't mean you should never study other arts. I am a firm believer in studying as many as you can, but only after you have foundation to build off of one. Hapkido is beautiful compliment to TKD. At this time I study both. I have my black belt in TKD and a blue belt in HKD. It is true though that you have to be careful. As the HKD becomes more distinctive, you may find yourself applying a lock or a throw without thinking about it. Again, get a good grasp in one art and then start looking into other things. Just my opinion. Jeremy WJDKF/MACS ------------------------------ From: "Jon David Payne" Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:52:25 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: Tukong Moosul >>Wasn't Yi one of 4 or 5 co-founders of tu kong moo sul? -cj>> According to one group yes, according to GM Yi no. I believe GM Yi for reasons I will keep to myself. Jon David Payne ------------------------------ From: ABurrese@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:14:29 EDT Subject: the_dojang: HKD and TKD >Tae Kwon Do and Hapkido, or is it better to just focus >on one? The thing is, if you are studying in a HKD only school, there would be no reason to study TKD. (unless you wanted to compete) But there are a lot of TKD schools that also have a HKD class a couple times a week. Why? Because TKD is more popular, and draws more people. HKD jurts a lot more, since you will spend a lot of time hitting the floor. These HKD classes add to the TKD curiculum. Personally, I feel if you find a good HKD school, that just teaches HKD, you won't have a reason to study TKD. If however, you are studying TKD, you may want to learn some HKD to add to your training, because HKD does incorporate a lot more than TKD. There is a difference, and a big difference, in a place that teaches HKD every day, every class, and the TKD school that teaches a little HKD once or twice a week. For more on this, go to paladin-press.com and check out my interview in the featured author this month. Yours in Training, Alain Burrese ------------------------------ From: Fred Madero Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: the_dojang: Master J.R.Wests Seminar I would like to thank Master J.R.West, Mrs West, Mr.Borucki, and two of Master West's instructors, Mr.Matt Hodges and Mr.John Lindslay for making the day a great experience and making me feel right at home. The seminar started with a Demo then we went right into learning the different techniques. The skill level of Master West and his seminar team was unbelievable. I was amazed at the ease and fluidity of motion when they demonstrated their techniques. Also, the way they would break each technique down and come around and help was great. It made it a lot easier for me, because of my limited background in HapKiDo, to learn the technique. I would like to finish by stating that if you have a chance to go to one of Master West's seminar you definitely should do it. Not only do you learn a lot of great HapKiDo but you have a chance to meet some really good people. Thanks again, Fred Baltimore,Md ------------------------------ From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:45:21 PDT Subject: the_dojang: re:tkd and hapkido vs. other forms of karate >1) I have heard a couple of people mention that Tae Kwon Do is not >as >effective as Karate or Kung Fu because it focuses mainly on >kicks. If >this is true does Hapkido help to combat this so >called "weakness"? In >addition can you tell me some of the >diferences between Hapkido, Combat >Hapkido and Tae Kwon Do? I have definitely NOT found this to be true. There have only been three times in 13 years of training (in TKD) when I have had to physically defend myself. Good, basic Taekwon-Do techniques worked just fine - and they were kicks to boot!. I guess this means I would disagree with those who say that the emphasis on kicks is a weakness. Sure they take a while to perfect but then again, so do hand techniques. I have never trained in Hapkido so really can't say much about it but have learned many joint locks, sweeps, and even throws in the course of my Taekwon-Do training. I get the distinct feeling that most people either do NOT receive this type of training or immediately associate hosinsool (self-defense) techniques with Hapkido. This is not necessarily the case. >2) One of the things I like about Tae Kwon Do is that once you are >a >purple belt you can practice full contact sparring (My dojang is >WTA >affiliated). Why don't many other forms of martial arts do this >and what >are the benefits/drawbacks to this. I have also participated in full contact sparring, both in class and at tournaments. I'm of two minds on this topic. On one hand, it's good to know that one can take a punch (or kick). On the other hand, should we really be trying to knock out an opponent at tournaments? Yeah, I know that not everyone has to put on a hogu but with the Olympics and all...Obviously, one big drawback to this is increased risk of injury. (By the way does anyone think that full contact in and of itself helps promote TKD? Boxing is full contact and doesn't seem to be that popular, at least to me.) Some Japanese styles of karate engage in full contact sparring. Kyokushinkai, for example. But It's my understanding that they DO NOT use protective gear. Now THAT is full contact! Actually, if you're going to fight full contact you might as well fight full contact. >3) Is it good to practice two forms of martial arts ie. Tae Kwon >Do and >Hapkido, or is it better to just focus on one? I'd wait for a while before cross training. Better to have a solid foundation in one art before branching out. After a good amount of time training you're less likely to get things "mixed up." For instance, the different body mechanics used in different arts, the different forms, etc. I really wouldn't worry about cross training until you have a dan ranking. To the American this usually means "I'm an expert" but 1st degree means (to the koreans I've met) "you're a beginner". Patience Grasshopper ;) I didn't cross train in Kung Fu until I had spent several years in TKD. And, frankly I decided to stick with TKD. I liked Kung Fu, it's a great style, and it gave me some better insights on how people do things differently (and why) but it just wasn't me. Taekwon, Chris ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #499 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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