From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #501 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 14 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 501 In this issue: the_dojang: Full contact fighting the_dojang: RE: Hapkido Kills the_dojang: RE: Time for Research the_dojang: RE: HKD the_dojang: numbers the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~775 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Christopher Spiller" Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 08:20:28 PDT Subject: the_dojang: Full contact fighting <<>> >TKD requires the protective gear to prevent more serious injuries >and >death. Due to continued refinement of TKD techniques, its kicks >are >producing injuries and every once in a while a death from >sparring. The >protective gear only spreads the energy from the >impact out over a larger >area. Ribs definitely can and do get >broken through the chest protectors. > When other styles of martial >arts reach a point were their techniques >are strong enough to >regularly injury the competitors, I suspect they will >invest in >protective gear too. >Andy This danger was kind of my point reharding full contact. No one disagrees that TKD techniques generate an incredible amount of power. I just don't know that we should be using them on live targets. Using a hogu can be looked at (by certain parties) like using a safety helmet - if it's necessary maybe we should rethink the behavior we're engaging in. As for Kyokushonkai having to develop more to get stronger techniques to regularly injure competitors, well from what I've seen (which admittedly isn't as much as the TKD I've seen) they're coming along nicely. Again, the point was to question whether or not full contact competition is good in and of itself. After all, power can be developed without it through bag work, breaking, plyometrics, etc. Chris Spiller ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: Don.Hahn@phs.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:27:30 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Hapkido Kills >>I have had the fortune of studying indirectly (1 level away) under two different Hapkido masters. Both were in Vietnam, both had on the order of 80 kills using Hapkido. Both stress the full art. Both will readily admit they have their favorite moves. However, both will stress that different people will find different moves more applicable to a given situation. << You may respond via personal email, but who were these people with 80 kills? My understanding of spec ops is that the preferred weapon of choice is the fire arm, not hand to hand combat. I cannot believe that 80 kills were made hand to hand. ------------------------------ From: Don.Hahn@phs.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:30:40 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: Time for Research >>I was wondering about Mr. Pellegrini's lineage as I've never read anything about him. I know about J. R. (that's Jeff, not James) West's history. Also, does anybody know about a guy named Scott Shaw? Just wondering, I don't have much time for research. Thanks. << If you don't have time, I would suggest training on the mat versus wondering about lineage. ------------------------------ From: Don.Hahn@phs.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:28:43 -0700 Subject: the_dojang: RE: HKD >>I have studied "traditional" Hapkido with 2 different Korean Masters in the Chicago area for about 5 years and I have studied Combat Hapkido with Master Pellegrini for the last 4 years. The ICHF black belt curriculum has more techniques than either of the traditional systems that I studied, so Im not sure where the idea that Combat Hapkido has such fewer techniques came from. The elements that are eliminated for traditional Hapkido are forms, stances, and high kicks..in place of those Master P. has added JKD trapping concepts, ground grappling and all kicks are directed at the lower portion of the body. He didnt eliminate stuff as much as he replaced stuff. The actual number of techniques is much more than either system I studied. As far as flying side kicks..we try to focus our time on practical techniques and not spend many hours trying to perfect a technique that is impractical and will probably never be used. Because the average american can only spend 3-4 hrs/week training, we feel that the time can be better spent. Mark Daley 1st Dan Combat Hapkido Chicago Il << You've not trained with qualified HKD masters. Just because they are Korean does not make them qualified. I absolutely disagree with your comment and all traditional HKD folks would confirm that. The number of techniques in traditional HKD far outnumbers what combat style has done, with adding and taking out, etc.. Essentially, I've learned an average of 1 technique per working day, 5 techniques a week for the past 10 years and that was after 6 yrs of HKD under a different master. I am not finished, yet, so I don't believe for a minute that combat style has more techniques than traditional HKD. ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: numbers I recall reading in one interview with CHOI Yong-sool that his Hapkido had 3,808 techniques. Does that sound familiar to anyone else? Ray Terry rterry@best.com ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #501 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! US Taekwondo Union, 1 Olympic Plaza, Ste 405, Colorado Spgs, CO 80909 719-578-4632 FAX 719-578-4642 ustutkd1@aol.com http://www.ustu.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe from this digest, the_dojang-digest, send the command: unsubscribe the_dojang-digest -or- unsubscribe the_dojang-digest your.old@address in the BODY of an email (top line, left justified) addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. Old digest issues are available via ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com in pub/the_dojang/digests. All digest files have the suffix '.txt' Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, Martial Arts Resource, California Taekwondo Standard disclaimers apply.