From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #511 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Mon, 18 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 511 In this issue: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #507 the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #510 the_dojang: Letting higher ranks put on a lower belt to compete the_dojang: Re: the wrong belt the_dojang: Re: Tournament Promotions / Can 'O Worms... the_dojang: from the deeply moved Vlado the_dojang: Movie sparring vs. Real sparring the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #509 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~775 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LJSFLEM@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:04:08 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #507 In a message dated 10/16/99 10:07:23 PM !!!First Boot!!!, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << dont know about that :) do you think they would take offence if i asked if there we any martial arts practices or teaches anywhere in our town?? Thanx for the help, Kadin >> Kadin, I have a favorite Chinese takeout. There are 3 schools in walking distance. The owners son attend the best school in the area. I saw him in class and was impressed. Never hurts to ask if you are polite and are prepared for any unexpected answers. Lorraine ------------------------------ From: LJSFLEM@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:16:11 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #510 In a message dated 10/18/99 1:51:26 PM !!!First Boot!!!, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Subject: the_dojang: The Movies When 2 very very good martial arts get together and sparr would they look like the people on the movies, like how it looks when a fight is choreographed?? >> Kadin, if you have the opportunity to get to a local competition, do it. There was so much to see with events going on in each corner. Do you have a local community college where one might be sponsored? I think I remember so saying you live in the country area and not much is close by. Lorraine ------------------------------ From: DMazor1026@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:24:10 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Letting higher ranks put on a lower belt to compete In a message dated 10/18/99 9:44:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << and what do you think of instructors that let higher ranks put on a lower belt to compete? >> As far as I am concerned this is completely unethical. If your athlete doesn't have the skill to be the rank they've been awarded then what are they doing with that belt level to begin with? Giving a lower belt in order to enable an athlete to have a good shot at winning is an affront to the honest, integrity and fairness of the sport of Taekwondo, and the martial art of Taekwondo, as well. I can't imagine to many of the "winners" would feel real good about it either! - -Dave ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:15:47 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: the wrong belt In a message dated 10/18/99 8:52:09 AM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << From: Tkdtiger@aol.com Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:24:07 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Tournament Promotions OK - new topic - what do you think of instructors that put black belts on red and blue belts for tournaments? and what do you think of instructors that let higher ranks put on a lower belt to compete? ------------------------------ >> i think it's all wrong. if they havent earned that belt from their instructor.....then they shouldnt be moved up. similarly, if theyve earned that belt, they'd better fight that rank and not move to a lower belt to compete. that's deception to move down....and it's unfair to those who are fighting in that belt division honestly. it certainly isnt teaching anything positive to those who move down in rank. it may boost ego of those who move up....but still...if the instructor wants them to fight at a higher level...he should promote them accordingly....beforehand. melinda ------------------------------ From: "Alexander, Stephen (Nexfor)" Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:17:20 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Re: Tournament Promotions / Can 'O Worms... Rhonda Wrote: >>OK - new topic - what do you think of instructors that put black belts on red and blue belts for tournaments? and what do you think of instructors that let higher ranks put on a lower belt to compete?<< Hmmm, well it certainly gets a little steam rising from my collar.. WAY back when I was a white / yellow belt, about 8000 years ago, I had the pleasure of sparring another yellow belt in my FIRST competition. Think of what you know at that level, nothing really. Well, this yellow belt knew jumping back kick, turning roundhouse kicks, axe kicks, side kicks etc. etc. and the technique was NOT that of someone who was at a yellow belt level. Needless to say, he won. What does this make me think? Well, it's in the realm of taking candy from a baby. If you need to "steal" a medal or trophy from a junior, just to make your ego happy, there is a problem IMHO. What are you proving??? that you can beat someone who has less skill than you!?! Oh boy, Big Man On Campus.. What is the value in doing this??? Just so you can say "look, I won Gold in this tournament!" If an instructor allows his / her student to do this, then IMO, he / she allows the tenants of MA to be discarded. Respect, honesty, integrity to mention a few that come to mind. Has our society influenced our MA practice so much that all that matters now is a damn trophy?!?! Also, if an instructor lets his students put on a lower level belt, what does that say for their instruction? Is he / she not confident that the schools instruction is solid enough to hold up against other schools students at the same level?? Steve Alexander To win 100 victories in 100 battles is not the highest skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill. Sun Tzu / Gichin Funakoshi ....... Take your pick ! ------------------------------ From: "Vlado" Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 08:39:04 PDT Subject: the_dojang: from the deeply moved Vlado Hey, people, you are great! You can't imagine how touched have I been feeling these days. I received so many advices, ideas, information and answers to my request that I couldn't help but feel much better. I'd like to say BIG THANKS to everyone who cared to answer me and share their knowledge and experience with me. You are great people and I am really glad I found this mailing list. Thank you again. I really adore the idea of visualization/mental imagery. I have always felt that there should be something of the sort but it never occurred to me what exactly. As to the books: well, I live in Bulgaria and the sad reality is that almost no books of this kind can be found around. Fortunately, I just managed to find Sun Tzu's "The Art of War". Medical books, I admit, are in abundance but martial arts books are almost out of the question. It is quite a sad fact that my specialized ilbrary consists of less than 15 books... The conclusions are up to you. Alain wrote "You can even get some of these off of the internet". Could you help me with some addresses? Also if anyone of you knows if I could find a plausible site on Korean language, I'd be grateful if they mention it. thanks ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com ------------------------------ From: JEREMYT@ATFI.COM (JeremyT) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:02:03 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: Movie sparring vs. Real sparring "When 2 very very good martial arts get together and sparr would they look like the people on the movies, like how it looks when a fight is choreographed???" They wouldn't even come close. Real martial arts in its true fighting form is not pretty. If they depicted real martial art fights in the movies, they would not be as exciting and people would get bored quickly. The movie would loose about 30+ minutes of film since they seem drag all the fight scenes about 5-10 minutes each. A&E did a thing on the martial arts and they covered Michael DePasquale Jr.'s MA stunt classes. He mentioned the difference of what looks good on film and what he would actually do. I like to watch both sides of the coin. A good Hollywood/Hong Kong fight scene is always fun to watch. A good sparring match between two good martial artists is educational to watch. Never mix the two. Jeremy WJDKF/MACS ------------------------------ From: d.d.parker@juno.com Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:13:18 -0600 Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #509 Emil, It seems as if your tournament competitors have the physical skills they need to compete successfully. Perhaps the problem is their psychological preperation for the tournaments. If they are not psychologically prepared and feel overly intimidated or stressed prior to their matches, this may cause them to perform at a level below their actual abilities as they are just doing techniques to "survive" and not using their heads. Maybe some guided imagery or meditation would be beneficial. I also feel that it is a great idea to video tape your students at their next tournament. But perhaps it would be more beneficial to use the tapes for evaluation and as a learning experience. Try to do everything you can so they don't feel overly humiliated or embarassed as these feelings do little to build self-confidence in most individuals, and this is what your competitors need more than anything else after a defeat. Good luck Emil and keep trying. Remember, you have the potential to learn and grow from these experiences, just like your students. Isn't that what the martial arts are about? Cordially, Daniel ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #511 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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