From: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com To: the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Subject: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #519 Reply-To: the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Errors-To: the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Precedence: The_Dojang-Digest Thur, 21 Oct 1999 Vol 06 : Num 519 In this issue: the_dojang: RE: RL experience the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #517 the_dojang: Woah Emil!!! the_dojang: Re: rank, weight, experience classifications the_dojang: Re: Small town :( the_dojang: videos the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #517 the_dojang: . ========================================================================= The_Dojang, serving the Internet since June 1994. ~775 members strong! Copyright 1994-99: Ray Terry, California Taekwondo, Martial Arts Resource Replying to this message will NOT unsubscribe you. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe the_dojang-digest" (no quotes) in the body (top line, left justified) of a plain text e-mail addressed to majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com. To send e-mail to this list use the_dojang@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and online search the last four years worth of digest issues at http://www.MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Ray Terry, PO Box 110841, Campbell, CA 95011 KMA@MartialArtsResource.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Atchinson, Kerry M" Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:37:23 -0500 Subject: the_dojang: RE: RL experience > From: dbuehrer@carl.org > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 07:00:24 -0600 > Subject: the_dojang: Re: Sparring vs. real life > > I don't have a personal experience, but I do have a story. > > A cousin's girlfriend (who was a black belt, and daughter of an > instructor) > was attacked some years ago. She'd pulled in to a gas station (it was > night BTW) to get gas for her car and on the way back to her car (after > paying for the gas) a guy lured her to his van off to the side of the > station (I believe he wanted her to hold a flashlight while he worked on > his engine). Well, he grabbed her from behind and tried to pull her into > his van. > > Also, despite her training, she was scared spitless and in shock from the > attack for about a week afterwards. Sparring may prepare one for a RL > attack, but it doesn't even come close to the real thing in term of > psychological impact. > > What I learned is that if I'm ever attacked, I won't really be prepared > for > it. Also, quick and simple works. > > Glad she came through OK. But it raises a question: With her training and family background, why did she allow herself to be 'lured' into danger? Or could it be that having a BB rank gave a false sense of security ? ( something that can happen to ALL of us ) Kerry WTF TKD ------------------------------ From: WriorDragn@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:44:37 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #517 In a message dated 10/20/99 8:00:11 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Subject: the_dojang: Moon Moo >> If you can locate a text of Gen. Choi's.. it has all the Hyung in it .... that my be a place to start looking ------------------------------ From: "Alexander, Stephen (Nexfor)" Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:53:47 -0400 Subject: the_dojang: Woah Emil!!! Emil wrote: >>Sometimes it can be topics like these that lead people to believe that Korean martial arts, and TKD in particular, are ineffective on the street. One must remember that what it really boils down to is the person's application of what he has learned that makes an art successful or not.<< and lots of other stuff as well. Emil, I am not looking to get into the "my MA is better than your MA" debate, I only wish to ask of others experiences using the TKD techniques they are taught. Curious to know is all. As a matter of fact I agree with your statement about sparring being useful for gauging distance and the like. I also agree that it is about the persons application of the techniques. TKD can be very effective on the ground IMO. (just makes it hard to do spinning kicks ;> ) I just want to hear peoples reactions to being attacked. What worked, what didn't. Simple as that. Steve Alexander To win 100 victories in 100 battles is not the highest skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highest skill. Sun Tzu / Gichin Funakoshi ....... Take your pick ! ------------------------------ From: ChunjiDo@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:04:24 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: rank, weight, experience classifications In a message dated 10/20/99 7:59:15 PM Central Daylight Time, the_dojang-owner@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com writes: << Tournaments are set up by rank, not tournament experience. >> i believe some tournaments do include experience as a classification factor. i think master farrell out of des moines asked that on his entry form. rank is the primary classification, then weight. i suppose tournament experience would be next. correct me if i'm wrong :) melinda ------------------------------ From: CBAUGHN@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:38:33 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: Small town :( Kadin wrote: << I live in a town with 2000 people, no colleges and no MA schools. Not cool at all. I am not even sure if the city near by(within 60mi) has any colleges that have courses in Martial Arts. Plus... I am 15 and in school right now, the only time I could see is on the weekends and colleges are not open on the weekends. So pretty much all I can do is just read books, watch movies, and dream. :) >> Well, Kadin, if the only time you could see a tournament is the weekend, you're heading in the right direction 'cause most of them are held on Saturday. : ) To be more serious, what city are you near? Almost any city of good size will have at least one martial arts school, and the larger cities will have several. A larger city would also be the place to see a tournament. If we know where you're located, perhaps someone on the list could give you information about a school or tournament in your neck of the woods. BTW, my son's dojang is located 30 minutes away from us (on good traffic days); and we rarely travel less than 50 miles to go to a tournament. On average, we travel about an hour and a half; sometimes 2 or 3 hours if the location is on the other side of the state. If you can interest your parents in what you want to do, perhaps they'll consider taking you to at least one tournament as a sort of mini-vacation. Never underestimate the power of a sweet smile and a hug for Mom or Dad. : ) Sally Baughn cbaughn@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Mike Roberts" Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:21:32 GMT Subject: the_dojang: videos What would be good videos for self-defense related martial arts? thanks, Mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: TKDSCRIBE@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:50:06 EDT Subject: the_dojang: Re: The_Dojang-Digest V6 #517 Regarding the posts about TKD sparring techniques working in a real altercation, I can say that the several episodes I have experienced they have "worked" fine for me. To paraphrase Ray Terry: fighting is fighting. Did any fights "go to the floor?" Well, yes, a couple of my opponents did. I seem to prefer standing in such situations. Once, however, while in a neighborhood where people of my skin color are apparently unwelcome, I was forced to the ground by several individual, two of whom were wielding steak knives. I wound up on my back with my feet up flailing wildly in the air looking like either a psychotic break-dancer, or a helicopter with badly bent rotors trying to take off. However stupid I looked, It worked as I made pretty good contact a couple of times before they took off, I suspect, to find easier prey. I got a new kitchen knife for my troubles, which I turned over to the cops who came ... a few minutes later while I was catching my breath. What interested me was the fact that I had completely improvised my technique - - something those folks who claim, in a fight, you only can use those techniques you have trained to use thousands of times. I guess kicking is kicking even if one is upside down! Interestingly, I got out of another very dangerous situation, with an elbow to the jaw of a big, strong, drunken attacker, while I was still half-seated on a bar stool. Since I have practiced only WTF-style sparring (Olympic style) which neither uses elbow strikes, facial attacks with the arms, nor fighting from anything other than in a standing position, I should have failed miserably. Actually, however, he went over like the 230 pound tree that he was, and stayed out on the floor for a a long time. I, on the other hand, paid a visit to the Houston City Jail. SESilz ------------------------------ From: Ray Terry Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: the_dojang: . ------------------------------ End of The_Dojang-Digest V6 #519 ******************************** Support the USTU by joining today! 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